' Wrote:don t get me wrong, i think i know where you re coming from on that one - but then again. - why sigma-13? .... its not like its not known that its not the best place to get some solid roleplay done. <-- Most of my characters are either Junkers or friends of Junkers. That being said ... I chose Yanagi. Its FAR away from Liberty and is a heavily populated trade route (role play or not ... 90% of all traders travel through there at some point and time).
however, the original question was if warships are allowed to assist in the act of piracy - and i stand to my opinion that they are not allowed. - waging war on them is different of course - pirating in the outer systems is a problem itself. <-- I NEVER said warships should be allowed to "assist" in the act of piracy. I DID say that they should be allowed to "defend" the pirate from lawful warships ... period ... end of sentence.
sigma-13 does not really belong to any house, - so self-claimed lawfuls do have a free roam ( but we don t talk about why they do it ) - a lot of stuff is carried away big time here. - of course it makes no sense for a trader to pay a hunter 10 million to blow up a pirate that asked for 500k. - but what you pay isn t inRole, but its cash you pay the player for his time. ( as a matter of fact ). - same goes with pirates taxing. - in a pirates role, asking for rediculous amounts like 500.000 credits is surely silly, - since a tax of something like 10.000 should most certainly do to make a pirates day. - still we get tax demands up to 2 - 3 million, not cause our role wants us to , but cause we know "that these greedy traders make so much money / run" <-- Ok ... I'll leave this alone as its your "opinion" on how to role play a pirate. I disagree simply because you should not determine what the "other" pirate should demand. A pirate that demands 10 mil is rediculous ... but he's still within his rights as a pirate ... like it or not ... rules do not impose a limit to what the pirate can demand. So unless you wanna impose yet ANOTHER restriction on pirates to be codified in some non-role play rule book ... lets leave this one alone.
metagaming happens on all levels in all factions on all sides, - its part of it. people that blow others up without a word happens, too. - but it happens less in some parts of sirius and more in others. - sigma - 13 is most certainly a part where it happens more. ( and wherever a profitable traderoute pops up in any following disco version, the phenomenon will continue ) - if i do not like it, i try to avoid it. if i still go there - i know what i ll be facing. ( its like buying a house at the airport. people know that its gonne be noisy, but they ll still complain about the noise ) <-- Ok ... I take it you are also directing this at the traders who constantly complain about being pirated in Sigma 13, Chugoku and Hokkaido ... right?
i do not have a char that operates near sigma-13. but if i had a dragon, i d rather pirate in kusari, if i had an outcast, i d prolly pirate in kusari, too. if i had a corsair, i d go to bretonia - etc. no pirate faction is bound to pirate in sigma-13, which is not only full with dangerous gasbags, but also with debris and to top it all with highly dangerous madmen that were once possessed by nomads. - no "normal" pirate would really want to pirate in that place. ( but thats just me ) <-- Ok ... I do pirate Sigma 13 ... I won't dictate to you how to pirate if you don't dictate to me.
what i wanne say is - its easy to point the finger at others when trouble happens, - but when you think about it, its not too hard to avoid this kind of trouble ( not allways, but quite easily ) <-- I'm not necessarily pointing fingers as much as I am constantly on the defense. Take another look at the title of this thread ... "Pirating with cruisers nearby." Who's pointing fingers, Jinx? Certainly not me. I'm just puttin in my 2 credits.
' Wrote:Sorry, but are you telling me that a pirate needs to be in a destroyer or battleship for the trader to also be in danger? <-- You missed my point. the destroyers, etc are to "defend" the pirate against the lawful battleships, etc. There is no other purpose for them. If there's traders and no lawful capships ... I have no need for the support. There are some who have violated this rule by actually pirating in cruisers and destroyers ... but they've been sanctioned. But just because you're sitting nearby some pirating event doesn't make you part of the action. Its like saying a trader with legal cargo who's flying near a smuggler with cardamine is "himself" also smuggling. Just because they happen to be nearby doesn't make them part of the action. Same if the trader and smuggler are grouped on trade runs. Lawfuls can't bust the lawful trader with legal cargo just because he's grouped with a smuggler carrying cardamine. If lawfuls take action on the lawful trader ... time to file a report on that lawful.
Sorry but, you guys don't need destroyers to pirate. <-- I NEVER said we needed them to pirate. BUT ... do traders need a battle cruiser to avoid a pirate? Don't think so. Heck ... a couple bounty hunters in bombers would be enough to take out my gunboat. My argument is about proportionality ... a concept that people just cannot seem to grasp. You don't need a flipping nuke to kill a flea ... its over kill. The destroyers are there ONLY to protect the pirate from being attacked by lawful warships.
And quit with the doublestandard crap. You are telling me that only you pirates are ever in danger? What about when the LPI in their Liberators are up against 8+ outcasts, and a destroyer? We weren't in any danger? Cap[ships aren't needed to put people in danger, and certainly in the event of last night, it wasn't needed, heck that destroyer came un-invited by the other outcasts, he should have looked at the situation, and decided to just leave, and not camp fort bush. (like he did the night before to me, and he killed me without saying a word) <-- Again ... you missed my point. The double standard is that a bounty hunter can fly the biggest ship with the most vicious weapons and heaviest armor to kill a gunboat ... while at the same time ... the pirate is limited to a gunboat when pirating. My point is ... LIMIT the size of the vessel a bounty hunter can use when he's hunting pirates. I have no desire to increase the vessel size for pirating ... only reducing the size of ships bounty hunters can hunt pirates in. If you disagree with that ... then don't complain about the Outcast Destroyer attacking the LPI ... cause that's not a piracy event. Your complaint about the Outcasts is the same complaint I have about the Bounty Hunters. Do you understand what I'm concerned about now?
BTW- I have a pirate also, so I know about capships coming after you. The simple solution is to run with your loot, and your life. <-- Yes ... run like a trader for the nearest friendly port. I have done this often. But ... unlike a trader running from a pirate ... they've got considerably more powerful weapons than you. A container transport can do some serious damage to a gunboat ... but ... a gunboat will be obliterated before he can get a battle cruiser's shields to 75%. You really cannot compare the two encounters.
