' Wrote:This has NOTHING to do with the thread and issue this comment was made in and it has nothing to do with my feelings (or lack thereof) towards the person making the statement. It's the statement itself that I am flabbergasted by.
Quote:Ah, but you see ... you have every right to do that, on the server. Thats the point of an open server. We have every right to pound on you for it, because there are more of us, and so long as we follow server rules, we win. We haven't broken any rules, and the admins are siding with us, so you can continue to give a rats ass what the forum community thinks, but understand, we're bigger, and we're more organized. We run factions, we join factions, we stay around, we talk in skype, and we know who you are, and we seem to dislike what you want to stand for. Thats the climate, as I see it. The forum goers and faction leaders have lots of friends, and lots of influence...that, as Xoria explained somewhere else, means we can walk all over the less organized or smaller groups of people who disagree with us on the server.
Does no one see a problem with this attitude--which I have been saying over and over is prevalent and the problem? I don't care what the person "meant", look at what they said. I don't care how wrong the other person may have been or what the issue was--this is flat out an attitude of "we own the server--not you".
This is where 99% of the strife, arguing and sancrtion requests are coming from--this attitude:
QUOTE(Unselie @ Jun 9 2008, 09:41 PM)
Seeing as how the poster implies the admins are "on their side" could an admin please respond to this?
Now, I'm not sure where I posted this, but I must say, this is first of all taken out of context, and that I was upset when I wrote it up. Though I was less than calm and rational, it is still essentialy the belief I hold to, and I believe Xoria also holds to a simmilar belief, though I have not bothered him. He is very busy, and this might wreck his day. I respect him too much to do that to him.
That position, Shigeo, is the bare bones of what everyone can do, could do, and be within the rules, as currently lined out. Its not about anyone's rights, its about a server following the rule of the jungle, and I have had to explain it in other places...I think, somewhere, I explained it in response to your own post, though I may be wrong. Here is one such explanation:
' Wrote:My position is: since it is not against the rules to do so, we may demand whatever we like from indies, and we can take it because we're bigger, and more organized.
This was an orrp statement, and one of possibly 2 or 3 posts, other than this one, that I've made in this debate. Most of that not typing, I did because Akumbito was a member of my faction, and I owed him loyalty because of that.
My position, again, is an academic position, not my belief, I do not hold to the belief that that is how factions should conduct themselves. But I do believe that they are well within their rights to act in such a manner, just as it is within an indie's rights to ignore a faction. Indies are of course much smaller, and things will often go poorly once they have ignored a faction.
I do not believe they should act that way, but I also state that there is nothing but themselves preventing them from doing so. My own faction limits indies in no way, and I created my register merely out of interest to see who was there.
If I could find it, I would show you all the post of Xoria's, from the beginning of this debate a few days ago, that helped me form my own position, but I have lost it. He phrased it much gentler than I, but the fact of the matter is, an organized faction, especially with the support of the community, or even just parts of the community, has much greater power, outside of Roleplay, to give itself power inside of roleplay. It isn't so much a might makes right, as it is often a who was there first...many of these factions who roleplay as the entirety of the group are very old, and have been doing it for a very long time. One person, or even ten, claiming that they are not the group they have always claimed to be walks on a huge ammount of RP, and the fact is, in the current climate, we accept them as the whole of the faction they claim to be. Dont like it? move to Bretonia, where the faction only claims to be a rapid response and strike force under the Queen's purview.
