Remove Nomad Cruiser Missions / Replace Nomad Cruisers in Missions with Battleships

[Lythrilux]

The idea behind the missions in Discovery is to provide an optional challenge. Doing anti-VHF missions in a VHF is a certain challenge - although it can be done alone, as Vasko showed.

I think that's entirely subjective. In the past at least, missions were just simply another means of earning money. I'd use my Legate in the past to farm missions against Core NPCs for credits and pilots, and make a neat profit. I could do these solo (most of the time). But as I could always respawn and try again, the only time I felt like I was in any danger was when Core players would rock up into Gamma on Threshers to raid Legates whilst they were doing missions. Once again, it's the players who provide the risk when it comes to PvE. Player numbers in PvE can just stack and remove the difficulty entirely. But there will always be the threat of an organised force of players.

And there you already see the idea behind it: Difficult missions require more than one person, and that is exactly the way it should be. Hurricanes negate this, and that is bad. There is however a notable difference between doing missions solo with Hurricanes and doing missions solo with Nightmares. The latter is a bad idea when solo.

But Hurricanes do not negate this. It honestly sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. Hurricanes make missions easier yes, as compared to doing them with other heavies, but they still require skill to pull off if done solo. And during and after the mission, as a light Battleship with Hurricanes, you are massively vulnerable to a Battleship with a PvP-orientated loadout. That is the risk you take to be better at PvE. That is why, irrespective of what you're claiming, you WILL see Hurricane Battleships doing missions in groups so that they aren't fish in a barrel for any potential hostile Battleship.

Matter of factly, I do suggest the removal or decrease of the Hurricane AoE damage. It would fix this issue. Nightmares can be untouched because they are highly inefficient in this scenario. They were never meant to be anti-NPC missiles. They simply got un-purposed this way. In games like Discovery, anything that can be exploited, will get exploited.

An issue implies there's a problem in the first place, which there is not. As I said before: you want a risk for mission takers? Be that risk. The irony that you, who usually accuses people of this, wants to change game mechanics when the solution lies in the hands of the players. And so what if Hurricanes were not meant to be anti-NPC missiles initially? You could argue the same with every Capital turret in the mod (or perhaps, the mass hoarding of sci-data by a few individuals), don't be so overdramatic and call it an exploit. For factions with light Battleships, they've found a great usage for PvE,

I believe the encounter groups can actually be adjusted to ensure only certain ship types to spawn, I'd need to look deeper into all ini files of the RANDOMMISSIONS folder. In a way to make pretty clear from wich difficulty rank which group would spawn, and only that group to spawn. HOWEVER, since this would result in making the farming of Marduks VERY EASY, I'd drastically reduce the chance of them dropping Nomad Battleship Remains - so people CAN do Marduk missions in Delta, but for more effective farming, they would require to enter the nomad realm, which would result in more time for people to intercept the invaders. Meaning it leaves you two choices:

a) Do less risky missions in Omicron Delta as FP11 and Yaren are merely 30K away, however with less BSR drops.
b) Dare to enter the nomad systems to get guaranteed BS remains, but exposing themselves to natural defenses of the systems, the likeliness of Nomad players intercepting them AND not having a base to dock in Iota, Major and Psi. I wish Minor could be listed here as well, but sadly Capetown and the junker base have been placed there, which devalues the system's risk.

Why just not replace Cruisers with Battleships and decrease the spawn? It'd be an easier solution than that. There are already missions that take you far from bases and close to hostile bases, as I have said. Many times I intercepted Zoner and Order farmers on a Core ship, and interrupted their farming operations. The inherent risk shouldn't be wholly reliant on the defences in those systems (and let's be honest, they're not really anything more potent than a minor annoyance). It's the job of players to be that risk. On the one hand, the addition of Capetown and Taracon has given IDs more places to dock in Minor, but on the other, it shouldn't be making Nomad/Wild players log any less.

A change I would like to see, would be for more purely Battleship missions that can be taken in Delta, but take place in the surrounding systems. This increases risk, without sacrificing convenience.

Honestly Sombra, it just seems like you can't handle a change which has actually made farming better for ALL parties (the farmers, and the people ambushing the farmers). What you are failing to understand is that Core is on BOTH sides of the fence here. Core both farms remains and ambushes farmers. So what if people don't spend ages flying all the way to 99/whatever to shoot at a few NPCs (and at high pops won't get the chance to do that at all)? The alternative is frequent, consistent activity in Omicron Delta which services more interaction and activity overall. In fact, I think a fault of the previous system was the bias in almost exclusive facilitating Nomad/Wild players intercepting farmers, whereas right now it allows the possibility for all IDs in the Omicron region to intercept farmers. There is actually a greater risk because you run the chance of meeting more hostile IDs.

Remove Nomad Cruiser Missions - i am against this , to radical and it will cause demand to do similar things in some other areas , ( for example , i may ask for only Battleships to spawn in Leeds for my RNS-Meduse , because i hate NPC Cruisers and particularity Gunboats).

It's really not the same thing. Nomad Cruiser Missions themselves are basically beefier gunboat missions, but with the same payoff and the annoyance of having them take the place of battleships spawning. Bretonian Cruiser NPCs drop a multitude of goods that make Cruiser missions worthwhile in themselves - Nomad Cruisers don't.

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