I'd like to talk about this in a separate thread because it's very important to me.
Since there was enough derailing and ad hominems in the other thread by several people, I've split this into a separate one.
Would be great if people could refrain from doing the same here. (update: Steiner moved this to flood and then the same people did it again)
(07-09-2018, 04:45 PM)St.Denis Wrote: Now, Karlotta, I have read most, if not all your Posts regarding changes. I have often thought of adding my input, but knowing your 'well publicised view of 'THE BIASED ADMINS', I have refrained from doing so, because I feel if I say anything negative (even it is a small something), that you will jump and instantly say "see, I told you the Admins are biased and have it in for me". Have you ever thought that maybe this is why the Admins keep quiet when you go on your Crusade of 'I know better than everyone else, including those useless, biased Admins'.
You had a long History, even when I joined this Community in 2011, with the Admins. The running battles I saw on the Forums between you and them. But the problem I have is, that was 7 years ago and a lot of Admins have been and gone, over those years. The people you started the battle with retired years ago. Yet you still have this ongoing vendetta against people, some of whom weren't even playing then.
Some of the present Admins are ones that agreed to let you come back, but still, somehow, we are still the bad guys. If we didn't want you here, you wouldn't have been allowed , legally, back. You then could have carried on your ageless battle, against the Forces of Evil. But you you were allowed back and yet you still have this paranoid theory that the 'ADMINS ARE OUT TO GET ME'.
It might surprise you to know, that the day doesn't start with/end with discussions about Karlotta. You are just not that important. You are one of the Community and your opinion is worth and equal amount as everyone else.
Well St Denis, thank you very much for finally talking to me about what you think. There are a few things in your post, and some things that are implicit with them, that I'd like to answer to individually.
Implicit in all you say is that everything I criticize about admins is posted simply because I think they're out to get me and I want to get back at... who ever... and that everything I say is purely out of personal hatred against all admins.
It's not.
By doing this:
(07-09-2018, 04:45 PM)St.Denis Wrote: Now, Karlotta, I have read most, if not all your Posts regarding changes. I have often thought of adding my input, but knowing your 'well publicised view of 'THE BIASED ADMINS', I have refrained from doing so, because I feel if I say anything negative (even it is a small something), that you will jump and instantly say "see, I told you the Admins are biased and have it in for me". Have you ever thought that maybe this is why the Admins keep quiet when you go on your Crusade of 'I know better than everyone else, including those useless, biased Admins'.
you're falling into the circular logic and self-fulfilling prophesy trap started by the few admins who said "Karlotta isn't saying that because of what we did, but because she hates all admins, so she hates you too as an admin" in 2009:
By not replying to me because of what you were led to believe, you're displaying obvious bias against me. Then I'll tell you that you're being biased by not replying to me (which is true, as you have said there). Then you'll feel confirmed for thinking I'm thinking you're biased, and in everything people told you about me. You'll feel confirmed in your bias and keep being biased against me, and its a never ending circle.
The only ways to break this circle is to engage in actual factual arguments with me and find out if its true that I'm just posting because I have a personal fetish for hating admins, or if there's actually a good reason why I'm saying what I'm saying.
(07-09-2018, 04:45 PM)St.Denis Wrote: You had a long History, even when I joined this Community in 2011, with the Admins. The running battles I saw on the Forums between you and them. But the problem I have is, that was 7 years ago and a lot of Admins have been and gone, over those years. The people you started the battle with retired years ago. Yet you still have this ongoing vendetta against people, some of whom weren't even playing then.
I'd like to know who you think I have a Vendetta against and why exactly you think it's a Vendetta and not factual disagreements and justified criticisms. For now I'll assuming its about me criticizing the admin team for not responding to the rules rewrite, which was, just like I said and you have confirmed, because of your bias against me. I thereby also see my criticisms as confirmed and justified, because according to the rules it's an admin's job to not be biased towards players in their actions as admins. This goes especially when it comes to not acting for the good of the whole server like it does for the rule rewrite and the help system, because of personal bias.
(07-09-2018, 04:45 PM)St.Denis Wrote: Some of the present Admins are ones that agreed to let you come back, but still, somehow, we are still the bad guys. If we didn't want you here, you wouldn't have been allowed , legally, back. You then could have carried on your ageless battle, against the Forces of Evil. But you you were allowed back and yet you still have this paranoid theory that the 'ADMINS ARE OUT TO GET ME'.
Instead of putting words into my mouth, please use my actual words and not the words that previous admins have also put in my mouth.
There were factually correct criticisms I made about the old admin team (and sometimes certain admins) before you were admins, and there factually correct criticisms I made about the admin team now, which are less severe but still accurate.
You could have easily avoided them by not giving me the silent treatment because of ideas you received from previous arguments with admins, in a time when I wasn't able to fully give my side of the story, when I couldn't respond to what people told you behind my back, when my posts were being censored and sometimes edited by other admins and mods, and when you had no way of knowing if the person who was alleged to be Karlotta was actually me (there were a few but not many I'm aware of, not knowing how many of them may also have been censored).
(07-09-2018, 04:45 PM)St.Denis Wrote: It might surprise you to know, that the day doesn't start with/end with discussions about Karlotta. You are just not that important. You are one of the Community and your opinion is worth and equal amount as everyone else.
I may not be important, but some of the issues I raise are, if you care about improving the game and community cohesion. I'm still hoping we can engage in rational discussions without brushing everything off as opinion, based on one's own opinion of someone and not based on the factual content of what is being said.
There's a good reason why argumentum ad hominem is considered a fallacious argumentative strategy, and I wish people could rise above it and not constantly and openly use it against me, while accusing me of using rational arguments against someone's actions simply because I allegedly hate them.
Showing me that they can do that is entirely in the power of the admins.
There's nothing I can do to change the mind of someone who refuses to engage in a proper conversation. (which I acknowledge you tried to have in the green room about a year ago, but which alley and sindroms did everything to sabotage at the time)
