Wyvern and Wraith

[Wesker]

Having trouble hitting the guardian and the avenger was never something I'd ever heard, I'm not sure where you're pulling these subjective statements from.

Since when does "easier to hit" on one ship translate to "struggle hitting" on another?

Back when the wraith had 70 turn rate hitting it almost felt like a futile pursuit if its shields were down. Yes, mass is centralised but this mass doesn't contrast the way it does on some other agile VHFs like the prosecutor.

Yes it certianly does, it doesn't do it to the same extent since there's less volume overall, but it's still simple as hell to shoot at. Aglie VHFs in this mod -when shot properly- are simpler to take down in a real duel or group fight than others that arent. There are certain exceptions, like say the Arbiter, or sichel that are simpler to hit than agile VHFs. But if I took a wraith all around and compared its simplicity to hit in comparison to a slower VHF like the templar in any situation (sheildrun or duel) the templar would out compete the wraith any day of the week.

This can be said with pretty much a ton of other VHFs. The only time agility, or turn rate comes in handy is /potentially/ in a duel. That can be solved with a simple CD. The wraith has only ever been able to outcompete when it early turns, and if by some miracle you allow any ship at all to early turn against you out of conn you're doing something terribly wrong.

The only time a wraith is vulnerable is if you can hit it from the side. Considering how nimble it can be, putting yourself in such a position is easier said than done.

Blocky center mass is exposed from the top, bottom, side, back. It's a block, it's simple to hit from any angle and any direction, there's no strong point the ship has to use to it's advantage when dodging/running or fighting up front. If you struggle to hit the ship, especially with higher velocity guns - you're doing something wrong.

I almost feel pity for the people that must have struggled dueling the wraith back when it had a great turn rate and 6 guns. It's worth looking at this objectively rather than just descending into a downright opinionated form of debating the shortcomings of a ship.

I pity them too, their aim must've been terrible. They also probably didn't know how to CD.

Alternatively, we could we re-amp the ship's turn rate for the slight hope of it /maybe/ being decent again. Or just make it's armor stronger to compensate for it's blocky shape.

The wraith was never and is not an inadequate ship.

It was adequate back when it had 6 guns, yea. Now? I'd take a wyvern any day of the week.

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