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Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer
Offline casero
05-08-2010, 03:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-08-2010, 03:20 PM by casero.)
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' Wrote:My experience with fighting the Kusari destroyer is a long tale dating since 4.84. It has come a long way in terms of balance and credit is due to Mjolnir for his efforts; despite himself being the king of the Kusari Destroyer.

Thinking outside the box in terms of balance however, my main issues with the Kusari destroyer is how it has been determined balanced, which alike to the Kusari gunboat and Bretonian Gunboat, is mostly through a 1v1 basis. In addition along with this certain fad loadouts such as multiple pulse/razor setups have not always been taken into account; which changes the game due to the ships characteristics.

While most definitely the Bretonian destroyer can take down a Kusari destroyer, as long as the Bretonian destroyer has a good pilot that can make use of turning techniques, a good kusari destroyer can make a Bretonian destroyer's life hell by using a CD on a mediocre Bretonian destroyer pilot. When it comes to a group fight, say two destroyers vs two destroyers, or a bomber on each side, the kusari destroyer has a significant advantage; its size making it hellish to hit outside of a 'capital ship joust'. Another related issue is while bombers can indeed take it down relatively smoothly, the spread of double razor useage and the need for bombers to almost ram the kusari destroyer to secure a hit (which also hampers group fights where the fastest damagers win) makes the kusari destroyer harder than most to bomb. Basically; while it's balanced for a duel or straight 2 bombers vs 1 destroyer, it would not take into account the kusari destroyer playing coy and evasive in a group fight, there it has an amazing advantage with the gunboat size and the fastest agilty.

Another issue, which I honestly barely ever run into, is in the case of Battleship engagements, Battleships can't really touch the Kusari destroyer because of the gunboat size, while the Kusari destroyer indeed cannot kite, when it goes evasive it is futile; and going evasive can be done at a moments notice. Due to this, the Kusari destroyer is extremely difficult to deal with as a BS, most destroyers while naturally being able to destroy a battleship 2v1, the Kusari has a significant edge. There have been some cases where 1 battleship + 2 destroyers (Bret) have fought 1 battleship + 1 destroyer (Kusari), and while the Bret bs has needed to run away due to the fact it cannot touch the Kusari BS, the Kusari destroyer can generally do as it pleases without being touched by the two destroyers or the BS, in reverse the Bretonian destroyer will consistently take damage from the Kusari bs and destroyer while it tries to evade; in essence, the Kusari destroyer is far too hard to hit outside the joust at very close range.

While I've been yabbering about the Kusari destroyer mostly, the situation is the same for the Kusari gunboat, while the Bret can indeed beat it, if it decides to just fly around in circles the Bret can't do much; because the thing is the size of a large bomber. The Kusari gunboat, with razors/pulse equiped I have seen burst damage a bret gunboat quite badly, and then run away evading while its own shields recharge untouched.

My main points; while things are balanced for generic 1v1 and such, they're easily abused by various tactics and are a nightmare in group fights; the gunboat is the one that bothers me usually.

You have valid points, but when I think on Cruiser Vs Battleship, I remember 2 Siege cruisers fighting a RM BS, the siege cruiser is huge, but still the RM BS can't touch them, but you have a valid point, while the KNF dessie can hurt the BS at range, the BS can't hurt him back, but it still happen with most of BS vs Cruisers fights.

A high skilled BAF pilot against a mediocre KNF pilot? What if the KNF has a crappy loadout?
We can't compare based on people's skills.

2 vs 2, I've never tried it, but the second BAF cruiser shouldn't be tearing apart one of those KNF dessies? I don't know, I should test it. Can't give any argument here so far.

About the BAF BS 2 cruisers vs KNF BS 1 Dessie, I say it depends, apart from the dessie not being touched by the BAF BS, the rest depends on pilots' skills. I've used my KNF BS against... tic's BAF BS, he raped me, literally, if there would have been 2 BAF Cruisers and 1 KNF dessie, he would have killed me sooner. It depends on pilots' skills.

Any gunboat in a group fight with more than 3 ships is dead, ANY.
Fighting with 2 bombers a KNF gunboat, can be hard, but it's doable, I have done it with the MM. But mostly I say it depends on people's skills.


@Ashes: Em, sorry I confused you with Akurarw, heh, my bad. If this is for a cosmetic view, for me it's fine.
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