It moved in a lateral direction, yes, right up until it became about personal opinions and then deteriorated along the inevitable tangent of ''You're not listening to me'' which resulted in tensions rising, assumptions, counter assumptions, attacks, veiled insults and so on and so forth. I don't have to close every thread that has been answered. Presumably we can operate like gentlemen and ladies and all have a proper sit down discussion until the thread dies off, without the need to actually close it because it got out of hand.