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Offline Grumblesaur
02-23-2019, 02:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-23-2019, 03:23 AM by Grumblesaur.)
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RULE: 4.2 Demands should be reasonable and only one monetary or cargo demand can be issued during each piracy interaction.
QUESTION: Is this still an act of "piracy" when demands are being issued by a law enforcement character to a smuggler or trader, and if so, is demanding the expulsion of cargo and the payment of a fine considered a single demand or two? Several lawful IDs permit the carrier to demand contraband and levy fines, but is that an "and" as written, or more of an "or"?

TL;DR: I understand this is a very lateral question, but are law enforcement characters permitted to make multiple "interdiction" demands, and if so, should they be?

In my specific situation I was flying a transport of a faction hostile to the law enforcement officer whom I encountered, so I think he had license to just blow me up anyway, but I'd like to know for other characters and other situations. Reason I'm curious is that demanding all cargo (contraband or not) + a fine is literally worse than just dying (i.e. losing all cargo and being set back the death time). I understand it's more realistic for law enforcement to demand forfeit of the contraband and payment of a fine, but the value of all cargo + a fine is demonstrably greater than the total sum of cargo at the sellpoint, which for pirates, is considered to be an unreasonable demand by this post:

(09-08-2016, 09:07 PM)Melisandre Wrote: ADMIN/MOD ANSWER:
If a report is made against an unreasonable demand, it is judged within the context of the encounter.
We usually do not allow a player to demand more than the total sum of the cargo at the sellpoint. If you are flying a 5k transport and your cargo is worth 3k/u at the sellpoint, anything above 15 million is excessive.
Empty transports can be pirated as their death will result in them not able to return to the system. It is a valid interaction. We would like to, however, think that asking more than whatever million credits per thousand units of cargo space is frowned upon. If it is an empty 5ker - ask around 5 million. If it is an empty medium - around 3million.

Obviously not everyone can play a corrupt cop, but considering some lawful organizations prescribe minimum fines with no discernible upper limit in some cases, the prospect of a drop cargo + fine demand is a disproportionate risk for the rewards of smuggling when, for example, players carrying mined ores are not usually subjected to contraband laws and stand to earn far greater profit.

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