Quote:I'm really rather sick of talking about most of this, except the Battlecruiser, Bomber and Cruiser issues, which are new, so I WILL issue a statement on that:
Battlecruisers do not need to be nerfed. If anything, I would increase the number of Class Ten slots from two to four. What they DO need is a significant price increase to reflect their relation to Battleship size. Battlecruisers are Battleship-sized craft with Battleship weaponry, but Cruiser agility and speed. By all rights they should be much more powerful than they are now...
Everything above the Cruiser needs a serious boost, IMHO, but the Cruiser-class most of all. More armor, anywhere from 25% to 50% more depending on the ship, bigger powerplants, and faster weaponry. They're not worth the money spent on them at the moment, they can't hold their own against two bombers as it stands.
Bombers need to be nerfed into the ground. Their turn rates need to be cut down 25% for the smaller ones (BHG, Red Catamaran) and 50% for the bigger ones (Taiidan, etc, and excluding such bricks as the Barghest). B/B needs to be cut in half universally, Supernova damage needs to be cut 30%, and strafe needs to be reduced 30% on light bombers and to almost nothing on the heavy bombers (excluding, as usual, the ones that are already brick like the Barghest). THEN it will accurately reflect how things ought to stand; We routinely have Praetorians fly into Outcast space and beat our Sabre butts, and while our piloting is awful, a bomber is NOT meant to combat a fighter, period. We should be able to fly LITERAL circles around them, and they should NOT be able to dodge a Capship at point-blank range like they do now (once the shield goes it's all over, you'll never hit them again). Force them to shoot at range; that'll give the Capships a chance to prove that they're worth the money.
Battlecruisers should get more than half their weaponry as class 10 guns. Onoz! Moar firepowah???
Incorrect. Battlecruiser powerplants cant handle this number of battleship guns without some serious drain. I do however disagree with that depiction of a battlecruiser. They are mean't to be pocket battleships, Battleship firepower, cruiser size, cruiser armour...
Battleship weaponry projectile speed may need to be increased by ~300ms, but that is the only change I would make here.
Cruisers need something drastic to make them better. They can't go toe to toe with battlecruisers, battleships or even gunboats, as it stands now. So, perhaps they could be made into an artillery platform? 5k range guns, 2000ms~ speed etc... Bit of a dubious idea, but I dont think they can be made to stand up as they should without affecting something else. They certainly need more armour though. Perhaps battlecruisers should have less armour than cruisers, as cruisers have armour instead of guns, and battlecruisers the opposite.
If changes such as this were to go through, bombers would not need a nerf. In fact, I dont think bombers need a nerf at all anyway after the last butchering they had.
The fault isnt the ship if a Praetorian manages to kill legions of Sabres. Frankly, I think myself in a Sabre could take down the Corsairs best bomber pilots without much trouble, unless they were mounting zomfgwtfbbq missiles (not torps, those are much easier to dodge).
Bombers aren't meant to combat fighters, period. But when you have a bomber ace vs a fighter noob, you can't balance the ships with respect to that example. Otherwise, things will be ridiculous when a bomber average goes up against a fighter average.
If you penalise the best because they have put in so much time into training, they will eventually give up. I no longer train in bombers for this reason, I just cant be arsed to learn a whole new discipline again after learning the 4.83 version. I concentrate much more on fighters now, as I know they wont be touched by a nerf. Now, if fighter dynamics were changed in 4.85 in such a massive way as bomber dynamics were, I would just resign and find another mod. However, this wont happen as fighters will most likely remain the mainstay of disco.
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As a side note, I have spent a lot of time training in the past, and I continue to do so when I can now. I have always objected to people changing stats of ship classes because they can't be bothered to train for the same (and possibly ridiculous) amount of time that we do. Maybe its because said people have "a life" but then they should live with the consequences that having a life brings.
The above point was adressing a very common arguement that I come across just about everywhere on the internet. Not aimed at anyone in particular.
