suggestions to stop the pvp and capwhoring

[Jinx]

the BHG was added ,cause they are at war with the order. the order is in alaska, cause they know about the system and there are nomads there. - the BHG got there through theta ( which they used as their omicrons base ) through gamme, which they know very well, due to long campaigns - then through kappa and delta. - they followed the tracks of the order, who came from minor.

there the BHG found the ways to 100, minor, lost, major. and thats when the war started. - so, yes, the BHG got to alaska through minor ( which - when we follow the discussion, some ppl don t want the BHG to be in ( minor / 100 ) - allthough their whole RP around the order / BHG war ( which has as much significance as the war between bretonia and kusari btw. ) evolves around these systems.

now - the BHG got into alaska the same way the order did and the nomads. - and they might have been mighty suprised to find a liberty style jumpgate there - aswell as the liberty forces might have been surprised. - mind, off of all the military forces present in alaska - the sight of a BHG warfleet might have been the most welcome. ( unless the liberty considers the order and the nomads more friendly )

... that was long in the past ....

the present is a state of war. the BHG keeps the order busy. ( in RP ) - if the BHG was not fighting the order, the order - knowing about the alaska jumpgate - could stage more attacks on liberty through that shortcut, henceforth damaging liberty more. - by locking the BHG away, the liberty forces remove a line of defense that they can rely on in favour for being attacked more ( again - in RP, not in reality ).

furthermore, - i wouldn t mind adding such a line to factions... mind ... adding the line "your faction is NOT allowed in alaska" to EVERY faction except the liberty navy / LSF. ( that includes the odd trader, the corsairs, the funny outcasts, the zoners, the nomads, the junkers, the generic pirates, the smugglers, and all playerfactions like the coalition, phantoms, AW etc. - hell, even add that little line to the freakin civilian ID )

but i gotto agree - why should it only be added to the BHG? - off of all factions except for the navy / lsf - the BHG is the most legit faction to be there, yet, you are calling for their ID to state that they must not be there? - why not asking for the same limitation within all the other IDs. ( mind, i do trust igiss that he did not put the BHG into alaska cause he felt like it after some beers... but cause he had something in mind.

now, BHGs in alaska clashes with whatever RP the factions evolved around that place. or what believes they have. - but having NPCs there is a very STRONG point. what if the BHG asked to remove the junkers from omega-15, cause frankly, the junkers are - to use this term " annoying " - and with the rheinlanders and the forge of the BHG warships in 15, the least thing the BHG needs are the nosy junkers that are known to sell information they ought not to know to others. - but the junkers ARE there... and not one person ever asked for them to be removed.

so, the reason the BHG is in alaska is explained above. - it does not include them to travel the jumpgate - allright, but there is no reason why they are not to be in alaska - both, from the point of view of the BHG aswell as the pov of the navy. what sane admiral would ban a warfleet that fights on his side to keep a system secret that has allready been explored, not only by their enemies - but also by countless others, including corsairs, outcasts, smugglers, zoners, traders etc. ( and we cannot ignore those )

since we ditch the singleplayer part - there is no problem in moving the jumpgate to a distant point and putting a minefield maze aroud it with nav beacons to navigate through. - its also no problem to put 6 stationary gunboats there to block the gate ( remember the singleplayer? - the navy had blocked the colorado jumpgate with a phalanx of ships ) - put them on corrupted liberty that is red to all and cannot be raised. - give them admin guns, whatever.

but arguing in RP that the BHG has no right to be there and that they are the only faciton to be added that line as a sanctionable event is - funny at least. we don t put these limitations into the IDs - cause its a RP matter. i don t see a "do not enter liberty" in corsair IDs as a suggested term. - or a "do not use the alaska jumpgate" in the keepers ID or a "do not fly outside of liberty" in the xenos ID - not to mention a "don t fly into kusari space" in the junkers ID.
there are a lot of restrictions that are made in RP - and thats fine, but again - if one starts limiting one, - one should aswell look on the others rights / privileges and reconsider them. - we could also state in the LSF ID "don t fly to omicron-kappa" cause, .... its not really a system well known, its infested by a fleet of countless warships, its planets are hazadrous and have killed or turned a whole colonization fleet of the zoners - not to mention it has only nomad NPCs in there, corsairs, BHGs and the occational zoner dromedary group - no one else. - yet, we do not state that it in the IDs of others not to come there.

of course, the system ID does not say its restricted.... but we gotto keep in mind. the system / jumpgate / minefield ID in new york is vanilla 1.0.... the addition of the BHGs is disco which is a result of the BHGs understanding of their role vs. the order - a later event. so. .... in chronological terms, the original info is outdated, while the fact that BHGs are in alaska is more up to date.

when i read the complaints... it turns out that.... :
- bhgs have to leave alaska
- bhgs have to leave minor
- bhgs have to leave gamma
- bhgs have to leave house space ( in their dedicated warships )
- it leaves omicron-delta all alone with most adjacent systems being ooRP ( unknown is an asteroid system - and ppl already pointed out how ooRP it is to fly into such an asteroid field in a warship; omicron-kappa is a desolate system, but it makes sense for the BHG to be there, omicron-minor was asked to be BHG free - cause the bhg are too annoying, alaska was asked to be bhg free, cause the old ID says so.... now, - whats the RP that is left there if the BHG was to comply to all requests and removed itself from all those systems.

wouldn t it be easier and nicer to try to work something out together instead of banning them not even in RP but also in a rule?

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