Can we get real...

[Thunderer]

I'm going to ask for specifics, just because I would like to know them.
I don't want to throw my 50 pence in.

I hoped you wouldn't, but alright, here it is... I'll read the entire wall of text again because of something that isn't even important and summarize them here. But oh well, not much better things to do during the state of emergency, right? Sorry, I am a very lazy person and naturally, I hate when someone asks me to invest effort, but because you insist Sir, I shall!

Firstly, the OP doesn't name the source from where the supposedly "stupidest thing they have ever heard" comes from. Who said that? Where? Markam maybe? The writing style reminds me of his. On Discord?

The OP says that the unnamed source said that Bretonia will not rebuild. However, I don't agree. I think the unnamed source is saying that Bretonia will rebuild itself in a different fashion than it used to be. Where did the unnamed source get the idea that Bretonia's rebuilding is not going to last long, I don't know. According to Kaze, a developer, about 25 years would be realistic for Bretonia's economy to completely recover. However, it will take centuries to overcome the demographic catastrophe that was caused by the loss of over a third of the population.

The OP mentions that the gold reserves of Dublin have been depleted, but this is the first time I have heard this. Maybe they indeed have, but sadly we will never know if this is true, because the OP doesn't name the source of this assumption.

The OP mentioned that Bretonian citizens would go radical over the loss of Leeds. What does this mean? Radical = revolutionary? Rebellious? Possibly. Some certainly would. However, the war was won. One could also argue that they could be jubilant because they are still alive and that their lives are probably going to keep improving from now on. Especially those that survived Leeds and no longer have to live on that godforsaken hell of a planet, but rather on a fairly pleasant resort-level world of Exeter/Gran Canaria. Perhaps they would want to sympathize with the Zoner/Coalition/Corsair population of Exeter, but would they let them? Those Bretonians have just stolen their homes. The Bretonians may wish to be friends, but the Zoners don't, they are angry. And the Bretonians aren't going anywhere else -- because they have nowhere else to go. Leeds is no more, New London is overpopulated, Nottingham/Sprague is a desert that needs to be better developed before it can accommodate more people and Cambridge has anti-population laws so it would retain its maximum food production output to import to New London, Nottingham and the rest of Sirius. These laws have already been stretched to the limit and the planet is producing less food than ever because it has, in fact, received a few waves of refugees, as many as it could. More people on the planet doesn't only mean more mouths to feed, it also means more farming fields to be converted into urban land, factories or just too polluted for crops.

The ozone layer of Planet New London was likely not damaged by the bombardment. A news article available on Gallic bases, called "A New Weapon Against Bretonian Resistance", mentions that the atmosphere reduces the effect of Warwolf cannons, hence the Triumph was purposefully developed to have VTOL thrusters allowing it to fly below 5000 meters above ground, thus bypassing the atmosphere. The GRN wanted this attack to be effective, so they would not be flying at much above 5000 meters during the attack, if above at all. Seemed like commercial airplane height in that event, though.

The OP mentions that the attack on New London would leave radiation behind. Why so? What is the source of this radiation? Does the OP think electromagnetic radiation (lasers, in other words) is the same as radioactivity? Physics says it is not. Perhaps it is the warships that fell down together with their generators and possibly nuclear ordnance? This would be more understandable, but having in mind that no armament used in Sirius, except nuclear mines, is said to be radioactive, I am not sure that this would cause more radiation than the nuclear tests, the nuclear plant accidents and the nuclear waste that we have and have had here on Earth. I think that the direct damage from falling wreckages, which resemble meteors, and the explosions of their ordnance, would be greater, but not as permanent.

The OP says that New London would be uninhabitable, but doesn't name a reason. Perhaps the above was supposed to be the reason? This is a moot point because we don't have confirmed data on what damage planetary bombardment actually causes, except a CNS news article posted by I believe Unseelie, in the CNS news reports section on the forums. This news article says that the bombardment cost about 600 million (or 300, not sure) Bretonian lives and much material damage. This is a lot, but having in mind that New London's population was about 15 billion at the time, it is proportionally a lot less than Germany lost in WWII, so I don't think that this is a good comparison. Additionally, I believe only 3 cities were bombed on New London, while in WWII Germany most cities were bombed. We are forgetting that this bombardment only lasted for a couple of hours, while Leeds took a week. The damage done is great, but I believe that it has been exaggerated by Bretonian propaganda that aims to secure foreign aid and display Gauls as evil. I believe that the worst is yet to come as all those wrecks in orbit start falling down unless they are moved away. Some of them may be too large to burn out in the atmosphere. This will likely not kill many people directly, but it may severely reduce the planet's population and economic output. If you ask me, I'd rather not have my house or my company's HQ on a place where an asteroid is very likely to fall on top of it. I'll move to some other planet instead.

There have never been two mining stations in Dublin. There has always only been one, Graves Station. It still stands and hasn't been attacked during the war. Why? I don't know. I guess planets were more important. It has explosive mines around too, and according to Battleship Hood, mines and asteroids are a bad combination for aggressive warfare involving capital ships. Bretonia once made this mistake and Gallia learned from it, I suppose.

Mollies and Corsairs wreaking havoc implies Mollies and Corsairs being together. However, they hate each other more than they hate Bretonia because the Corsairs did to Planet Cork, a former Molly colony in Poole, the same thing that Gallia did to Planet Leeds. The British have historically shown quite a tendency towards the "divide and conquer" strategy, so I suppose that Mollies and Corsairs would be wreaking havoc on each other equally.

I don't understand the persistence in the usage of the term "Devtonia". Why is it still being used? Isn't Lanakov himself the chairman of the devteam now? Lanakov is at the head of the Gallic Confederation, he is French iRL and he serves the Marine Nationale iRL. He is the last person who one can call "Devtonia". Or perhaps the quotes were supposed to indicate sarcasm? Sure, some members of the devteam are in some Bretonian factions, but some other are in some other factions, yet the devteam is not being accused of bias towards those other factions. Perhaps it is because Bretonia has won the war? Firstly, this was scheduled to happen years earlier, before the current devteam was the devteam. Secondly, for example, the Red Hessians, despite being a faction of pirates with no considerable population, somehow have a fleet of battleships and were able to conquer a system from Rheinland, a House, and keep it, at the same time keeping the Corsairs at bay in the Omegas and fighting for Aland in Nottingham/Omega-3. Or the Coalition, which managed to destroy a Bretonian fleet, the Stirling's, with an invisible fleet without any representation by an NPC battleship base. Meanwhile, Bretonia lost nearly half of its population and only won the war thanks to its ally, Liberty. Why is there no Dev Hessia, Devalition or Deverty, but only Devtonia? Is it because the Hessians did not win at Aland like they did in Dresden? Should all factions only win, or only lose? Have the Red Hessians or the Coalition ever lost anything in the history of Discovery? I am sorry if this seems like a personal jab, but I am only using the Hessians and the Coalition as examples, as they are the first factions I can think of that have not ever had any notable losses.

I agree that the Coalition could quite easily take the system of Exeter now, with the invisible fleet with which they destroyed the Stirling Fleet, unless Bretonia also has an invisible fleet of its own in Exeter. However, I don't agree that they could take the planet easily, let alone that the planetary resistance is relevant. Before the invasion, the population of Gran Canaria was likely over 500,000, but no more than 1 million, according to the old infocard. According to a rumour from a character who you can meet at the cargo dealer's, there are over 1 million Bretonian soldiers on the planet. If the number of soldiers outnumbers the civilian population, then I believe insurrection is impossible. Refugees from Leeds and other planets have since arrived on Exeter and its infocard says that about 2.5 million people currently live there. According to this I assume that most are Bretonian. For a successful insurrection, one would need the majority of the population to be Anti-Bretonian, not the minority. One could argue that 1 million are too many soldiers. The population of New London is about 14 billion. If we assume that 1% are soldiers, then New London will have about 140 million soldiers. One could also argue that such a high military presence is unnecessary, but Kaze said that these soldiers were not sent only to conquer the planet, but also protect it from a possible Corsair invasion. Crete has a population of about 600 million, so if 1% are soldiers, they will have 6 million soldiers.

It is not Sons of Canaria, but the Gran Canarian Army (GCA). The faction is led by @Backo. It is a very nice faction, but sadly, they haven't been very active lately. According to the OP's thread, I assume they would like joining. They should contact Vasko if they want to. Besides being utterly belligerent towards literally everyone around him, including dolphins from the Black Sea which he sells on the black market, Vasko is a great dude.

Hessians again? Why are they always being considered a threat? Because Wesker is good at PvP? Should PvP determine the flow of the storyline? Would this not cause the death of sportsmanship, as every faction will only play to win in that case, and not to merely have fun? Do we want this?

Although I agree with the OP's assumption that Bretonia should not be able to support the Rheinland Empire in its civil war, as I myself don't know how it would, I disagree with the OP's claim that they are neutral and unbiased. The OP's post is full of caps lock usage, has a couple of swear words and uses the word "Devtonia" for a number of times without a justified basis. I believe that the post is too emotional to not be biased and although I agree that it is not biased towards any faction, I think that it is biased against Bretonia.

My opinion is that bad things happen and good things happen. But I don't think that only bad things should happen to some factions, while only good things happen to other factions. The title of this thread is "Can We Get Real" and I think that reality is neither black nor white, but rather grey.

I also think that we should not be so attached to pixel objects to call them "assets", let alone use caps lock, swear words or bash other real people over them. I think that we should instead try to make this thing fun. Work together to make a better story that will captivate our imagination and provide an immersive experience, or simply think of what would be fun, and then invent a realistic and justifiable story arc that will make it happen. Is kicking one of the Four Houses until it is dead a good and fun story, or should we make something else instead?

Finally, I most certainly don't think that the new devteam should be bashed over something the previous devteam has done. Give them time, they can't change everything in a day.

@"The Only Hokan" You seemed like someone who likes reading walls of text, so here, I wrote one for your pleasure. Worry not, I passed an exam earlier today and don't have much better things to do, so no time was wasted. I hope that you are content with it

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