2020 Mining Overhaul, Phase 1: Price and Sellpoint Adjustments

[Vulkhard Muller]

Some of you are acting as if

a) one of the primary buyers isn't a Freeport accessible to everyone
b) the houses don't have two fences that should be accessible to almost everyone and were buffed in price
c) it's physically impossible to trade anything other than ores as a faction looking to fly transports

Karst you are completely missing the mark.

1- The primary buyer being a Freeport in Theta makes no sense for an Outcast. Why would an Outcast trader sell Military Salvage to the Freeport knowing full well the Zoners will in likelihood sell it to the Corsairs? It's stupid and makes no sense.

2- Again, fences, this is assuming people are cargo pirating which, in case you haven't noticed, doesn't happen all that often. In all my time trading on EFL/Junker (even back in my IC and [ALG] days) Never have I ever seen anyone actually demand cargo always credits or some thinly veiled "You are going to die because I want your cargo".

3- Seen this one mentioned a lot between you and Snak3, and its a super simple answer here, maybe if the basic economy wasn't the physical embodiment of a soggy end piece of bread maybe we'd actually want to touch it. There is hardly any Rp in that thing, it's arguably worse than this change. You all are looking at Balance before Lore, which in turn is going to kill interest in doing these routes for many people. You say that the old system has thinned players out too much. The way this looks and you and Jammi's constant ominous "System Changes" lines make me see a future here in disco where we end up with a map looking like Karlottas idea of all travel going through one bottleneck. As a person who has traded for years this is not the way to encourage activity. People will slowing stop playing, why? Because, their is not variation like @xenomorph said:

...Indies, including me, done routes like these to avert myself from trade lanes and house space I often find, boring, uninteresting. Routes I mentioned before, were a nice example that passage through pretty systems can be fun, especially to me. I find certain Omicrons, Sigmas, Omegas I often pass via, beautiful. Worth mentioning that -some people don't like long trade routes-, like myself.

House space is boring, this change forces everyone along the same five or six routes. It becomes much like "You did one you did them all". I have bitten my tongue for a while on this because I thought that maybe it was just me who preferred RP sell points over balance clearly not. Sure, some logical Rp is there for "Junkers selling to the Freeport and Coalition buying it from there" but why would the Coalition sell it to the Freeport only to send another transport out there to pick it up? They don't have that kinda H-Fuel access they cannot just squander fuel all willy-nilly.

So yes, I think I represent a good chunk of the community unhappy with this change when I say "Bring back the old system". This system is boring, uninteresting, and throws RP out the window in favor of cold hard numbers. You don't get people to come and play a 15 year old space simulator by forcing balance, you do it by encouraging Rp Logic. If I want to RP a Communist Trade captain with an identity crisis who has the need to make billions supplying his revolution then that should be something we support. Him flying to some freeport in the middle of godsforsken nowhere does nothing for that RP itch. This current trade set up is heavily catered to Junkers/Hogosha/UC and Corporations with not even the slightest glance at organizations like Crayter Republic who's inrp economy is still there sure but their traders have no reason to ever go back to Crayter space instead you'll likely see them running around between Bretonia and Rheinland/Kusari.

I'd argue most of the community would love to stop hauling ores, unfortunately over the years the price of ores have been inflated so much it's the only viable thing to haul. Realistically certain "End Market" commodities should have profit margins near the current ore prices. Things like Engine Components, Ageira White Boxes/EFL Blue Packs, DT Fuel, or even Holo Sculptures all should be far more expensive them their current prices.

I have been a very strong proponent of creating a process in where PoBs consume ores and spit out the end market equivalents (Gold/Silver/Diamonds ect). That however has run into a glaring issue, that being no one is willing/able to code it into the PoB plugin. I myself have been trying to learn a bit of coding so I can try to do it, but admittedly it is slow going.

I could continue ranting on but at this point I would just be repeating myself. Suffice to say: You need to find a way to balance RP and Balance, the current method weighs to much in favor of balance and shafts years of RP in the process.

/RantOver

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