(09-03-2020, 11:40 PM)sueme Wrote: Too bad your... other buddy... was 1 minute too late after your death, it could have been a fairer fight 2 vs 2 . We like those better too, but RP demands we go after Xenos enemies no matter the situation. Unlike the two LN there at the scene, who refused to attack you and one of them even surprisingly stated so in system wide chat. But, at that time he did demand threateningly that our FTP| player drop the 2 or 3 nomad mines or CM's or whatever he had from some mission (so i guess he did his RP duty).
If you don't like it when people (especially Junkers apparently), have the gall to object to being attacked by you... perhaps you should consider choosing a different profession. Because that's not changing, "official" or not.
In fact, I would be so bold as to say, a faction like FTP| who actively and often defend themselves from Xeno raider attacks deserve officialdom even more for it.
Your definition of a fair fight is an interesting one. 1 SHF and 1 GB on 1 VHF, even if the bomber showed up earlier that wouldn't have made it fair. Also, last time I checked, this is not the [LN] Feedback Thread, nor the 46th| one.
I have no issues with Junkers and Xenos shooting each other, what I have issues with is when someone decides to go guns blazing without a single line of RP. If you honestly think that noRP engaging others is an example of what an official faction should follow, oh boy, do I have news for you then.
(09-04-2020, 12:08 AM)myetal Wrote: Viper is one to talk i've met that xeno 4 times total and each and every time i've met him his RP for attacking consists of one/two words, "die" or "engaging" or his most latest one was "lets begin".
[10.08.2020 16:06:08] XA-Viper.: Lets begin!
[10.08.2020 16:06:39] 2020-08-10 16:06:41 SMT Traffic control alert: FTP|Oprixy| has requested to dock
Thats it, then he was attempting to engage me, i CMed his C/Ds and managed to dock. Now correct me if im wrong but this is also a breach of server rules.
Also liberty police actively deciding not to attack a terrorist i see the corruption within house goverments is growing dailiy.
Last time I checked, this is not the XA- nor the LPI- Feedback threads (provided by "liberty police" you mean the official faction.) If you had issues with XA- before, you are more than welcome to visit their thread.
(09-04-2020, 12:25 AM)sueme Wrote: Not sure how the second battle between VA-Viper and the FTP| player was "witnessed".... which happened in Hamburg not Hudson... while still being in Hudson as the EDITED chat log shows (... with my warnings left out).
As for the rules, is every member of a battle between 2 tagged factions required to state their intentions, separately, before hand? Of course not, that would be silly.
3.6 - Attacking without Roleplay. Players must be given reasonable time to react to hostilities.
Dropping 2 lines of engagement RP would have been enough, even if it was minimal, but it's still better than nothing.
Your second battle started in Hudson, just before the Navy players decided to head back to Cold Bay, and my chat logs are not edited, except for leaving out non-related logs like group chat and PMs. So I'd really appreciate if you could like not accuse people wrongly, thank you very much. And there were no warnings whatsoever, period. Ironic that you accuse me of editing the chat logs when you clearly didn't bother to even /1 /2.
Just to get that straight, I'll include an expanded chat log (without non-related logs like group chat) below along with a screen of the GB's cargo infront of the Hamburg Gate: [-X-]
[03.09.2020 20:19:44] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Hmm.
[03.09.2020 20:19:55] OS&C|Breezewood: Seabourne: Greetings, Navy
[03.09.2020 20:20:01] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Yeah, evening.
[03.09.2020 20:20:12] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Did I interrupt something ?
[03.09.2020 20:20:17] XA-Ridgenose: Wrong side of Hudson for you is it not?
[03.09.2020 20:20:36] OS&C|Breezewood: Seabourne: Just a conversation, Ridgenose has been most civil
[03.09.2020 20:20:40] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Technically yes, practically, as you can see, no Imps are here to see to that.
[03.09.2020 20:21:00] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: I reckon they are busy with their whole civil war shenanigans.
[03.09.2020 20:21:08] XA-Ridgenose: If there were Imps here, I probably wouldn't be quite so civil.
[03.09.2020 20:21:25] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: well well
[03.09.2020 20:21:39] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: To be honest I don't recall the last time I actually saw any Rheinland Military in Hudson.
[03.09.2020 20:21:51] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: will hold
[03.09.2020 20:22:03] XA-Ridgenose: I remember sending them running back into Hamburg before.
[03.09.2020 20:22:08] XA-Ridgenose: Was fun.
[03.09.2020 20:22:19] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Huh, cute.
[03.09.2020 20:22:26] OS&C|Breezewood: Seabourne: You're probably more likely to see a Nomad in New York nowadays, truth be told
[03.09.2020 20:22:36] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Don't remind me of that.
[03.09.2020 20:22:43] XA-Ridgenose: Both are fun to blast anyway.
[03.09.2020 20:22:59] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: They have been in New York quite a lot of times as of late.
[03.09.2020 20:23:06] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: To be honest it's rather concerning.
[03.09.2020 20:23:15] XA-Ridgenose: That is quite true sadly.
[03.09.2020 20:23:34] OS&C|Breezewood: And they're not exactly a bunch you can negotiate with
[03.09.2020 20:23:34] XA-Ridgenose: But hell as long as you can see them you can blast them.
[03.09.2020 20:23:54] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Yes, well, the Navy's idea of overkill via warships didn't work out last time.
[03.09.2020 20:24:07] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Thing is, Nomads actually outnumbered our capital assets.
[03.09.2020 20:24:15] OS&C|Breezewood: Does the navy have a new idea it's working on then?
[03.09.2020 20:24:34] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: The "idea" of using bombers to swarm them was already suggested.
[03.09.2020 20:24:36] XA-Ridgenose: Guess you navy boys will have to stop relying on those warships then.
[03.09.2020 20:24:42] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Hmm.
[03.09.2020 20:25:06] OS&C|Breezewood: Speaking of things the Rheinlanders would not like in their space...
[03.09.2020 20:25:26] XA-Ridgenose: Well, well.
[03.09.2020 20:25:44] XA-Ridgenose: Woah.
[03.09.2020 20:25:44] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: A gunboat.
[03.09.2020 20:25:48] XA-Ridgenose: That's rude.
[03.09.2020 20:25:50] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Woah.
[03.09.2020 20:26:05] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Come on, have the manners to at least state your intentions.
[03.09.2020 20:26:09] XA-Ridgenose: Damn he can't aim for shit.
[03.09.2020 20:26:12] OS&C|Breezewood: I didn't realize FTP and the Xenos were at odds
[03.09.2020 20:26:27] XA-Ridgenose: I never even heard of em.
[03.09.2020 20:26:39] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: A group of Junkers.
[03.09.2020 20:26:40] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: asheville
[03.09.2020 20:26:53] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Last time I saw one of these guys, it was a Pilgrim Liner full of alien artifacts.
[03.09.2020 20:26:55] XA-Ridgenose: However junker scum can rot anyway.
[03.09.2020 20:27:02] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: No need to pew yet.
[03.09.2020 20:27:17] OS&C|Breezewood: They helped Orbital with some SAR recently, but are persona non grata in the fatherland at the moment from what I've read
[03.09.2020 20:27:17] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: I wonder if that gunboat's comm systems are broken or something...
[03.09.2020 20:27:23] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: good be quick
[03.09.2020 20:27:35] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Interesting.
[03.09.2020 20:27:36] XA-Ridgenose: Probably just lacking the brain cells to operate it. [03.09.2020 20:27:39] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: WHY YOU RUNSCUM
[03.09.2020 20:27:40] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Fair enough.
[03.09.2020 20:27:45] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Oh, they can talk.
[03.09.2020 20:27:50] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: watch those guns please Captain
[03.09.2020 20:27:51] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Although now I wish they couldn't...
[03.09.2020 20:27:53] XA-Ridgenose: Yep, definitely lacking braincells. [03.09.2020 20:28:02] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: LIKE YOU
[03.09.2020 20:28:15] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: military hardware is expensive
[03.09.2020 20:28:18] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Stop. Yelling.
[03.09.2020 20:28:19] OS&C|Breezewood: Apologies, I was under the impression you were just out of range
[03.09.2020 20:28:31] XA-Ridgenose: I can't believe I am saying this but how is Rheinland ahead of us when it comes to these people.
[03.09.2020 20:28:39] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: just being cautious Cap
[03.09.2020 20:28:51] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: No worries
[03.09.2020 20:28:52] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: What do you mean by "ahead of us" ?
[03.09.2020 20:29:12] XA-Ridgenose: As in not tolerating Junker scum like this any longer.
[03.09.2020 20:29:27] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Right, I wonder the same thing to be honest...
[03.09.2020 20:29:38] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Gotta agree with the majority of the LSF, they should be banned.
[03.09.2020 20:30:04] XA-Ridgenose: Seriously Outcast capitals on Rochester wasn't enough to drop the hammer on em?
[03.09.2020 20:30:39] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Don't ask me.
[03.09.2020 20:30:43] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: I'm not part of the government.
[03.09.2020 20:30:52] OS&C|Breezewood: Orbital's found Junkers quite useful outside of house space, most are good people, all of them are handy
[03.09.2020 20:31:02] XA-Ridgenose: Gotta wonder what the government does be thinking.
[03.09.2020 20:31:08] OS&C|Breezewood: We would have never gotten Reverie back online without them, for instance
[03.09.2020 20:31:13] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Yeah, thing is, in Liberty, we mostly have issues with them rather than getting a helping hand from them.
[03.09.2020 20:31:38] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Bureocracy and red tape are not my thing.
[03.09.2020 20:31:42] OS&C|Breezewood: It is different for a house than a corporation, but friends are always useful to have
[03.09.2020 20:31:42] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Hence why I joined the Navy.
[03.09.2020 20:32:00] XA-Ridgenose: Junkers are the kind of friend I would recommend avoiding.
[03.09.2020 20:32:08] OS&C|Breezewood: Wait, you joined the navy to get AWAY from red tape?
[03.09.2020 20:32:17] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Hmm. [03.09.2020 20:32:28] FTP|Skyraven|: XENO
[03.09.2020 20:32:28] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Is that a SHF ?
[03.09.2020 20:32:31] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Oh god.
[03.09.2020 20:32:33] OS&C|Breezewood: Either Sawyer exagerates wildly, or it might have not been the best thought out decision on your part
[03.09.2020 20:32:34] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: This one is yelling too. [03.09.2020 20:32:42] FTP|Skyraven|: leave or die
[03.09.2020 20:32:43] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Sawyer ?
[03.09.2020 20:32:43] XA-Ridgenose: My god why are these people so stupid.
[03.09.2020 20:32:46] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: I'm not Sawyer.
[03.09.2020 20:32:49] XA-Ridgenose: Leave or die?
[03.09.2020 20:32:56] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Right.
[03.09.2020 20:33:07] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Ridgenose, we won't intervene.
[03.09.2020 20:33:09] Death: BHG-Fleshwriter was put out of action by LH~Konrad.Von.Gloda (Gun).
[03.09.2020 20:33:09] XA-Ridgenose: Well then.
[03.09.2020 20:33:20] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: You go ahead and have fun with these guys.
[03.09.2020 20:33:26] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Don't shoot the Xenos please [03.09.2020 20:33:26] Death: XA-Ridgenose was put out of action by FTP|Skyraven| (Gun).
[03.09.2020 20:33:26] XA-Ridgenose: A gunship and a shf.
[03.09.2020 20:33:32] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Right.
[03.09.2020 20:33:33] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: i wont
[03.09.2020 20:33:38] OS&C|Breezewood: That was fast
[03.09.2020 20:33:54] OS&C|Breezewood: At least I get my cigars back
[03.09.2020 20:34:24] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: What a shame.
[03.09.2020 20:34:30] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: I was actually enjoying the conversation.
[03.09.2020 20:34:48] OS&C|Breezewood: Life is always more interesting with a xeno on the scope
[03.09.2020 20:34:51] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: so much for that trash talking xeno
[03.09.2020 20:35:02] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Yeah well.
[03.09.2020 20:35:10] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Your buddy decided to shoot before saying anything.
[03.09.2020 20:35:16] FTP|Skyraven|: he may not be so fast to mess with FTP next time.
[03.09.2020 20:35:34] FTP|Skyraven|: you are lying
[03.09.2020 20:35:39] FTP|Skyraven|: I did
[03.09.2020 20:35:40] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Excuse me ?
[03.09.2020 20:35:51] OS&C|Breezewood: Admittedly, we were on the extreme range of the engagement
[03.09.2020 20:35:51] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Your friend on that Kusari Explorer didn't.
[03.09.2020 20:35:56] FTP|Skyraven|: I did warn him, he is shoot on sight anyway
[03.09.2020 20:36:09] FTP|Skyraven|: We are in same clan if u havnt noticed
[03.09.2020 20:36:15] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Hmm, the usual "warn, then shoot afterwards".
[03.09.2020 20:36:24] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: take the big one first yes if it gets hot
[03.09.2020 20:36:31] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: not with thwm
[03.09.2020 20:36:32] FTP|Skyraven|: He was xeno, and u are just trying to create trouble
[03.09.2020 20:36:37] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Thank you Cpt. Obvious, I would have never thought you are part of the same organization.
[03.09.2020 20:37:08] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: easy now boys
[03.09.2020 20:37:22] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Also, kind of you to accuse me of creating trouble.
[03.09.2020 20:37:33] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Any other words of wisdom ?
[03.09.2020 20:37:47] FTP|Skyraven|: why are you still looking for trouble?
[03.09.2020 20:38:00] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: easy raven
[03.09.2020 20:38:14] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Hmm, a persistent one I see.
[03.09.2020 20:38:41] /time
[03.09.2020 20:38:41] 2020-09-03 20:38:42 SMT
[03.09.2020 20:38:42] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: hamburg gate
[03.09.2020 20:38:43] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: raven head to hamburh jh and wait at the entrance
[03.09.2020 20:38:45] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Just curious.
[03.09.2020 20:38:47] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: No you don't.
[03.09.2020 20:38:55] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Your friend on that gunboat has nomad materials.
[03.09.2020 20:39:07] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: do i
[03.09.2020 20:39:18] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Let's see...
[03.09.2020 20:39:25] FTP|Skyraven|: so i am scanning you and it says "liberty navy"
[03.09.2020 20:39:27] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: 35 of what appear to be...Nomad Missiles perhaps.
[03.09.2020 20:39:37] FTP|Skyraven|: so you dont care if xenos pirate people?
[03.09.2020 20:39:41] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Also several other stuff.
[03.09.2020 20:39:41] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: i see those too
[03.09.2020 20:39:55] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: That is not the current topic.
[03.09.2020 20:40:00] FTP|Skyraven|: yes it is
[03.09.2020 20:40:10] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: The current topic is that your gunboat friend has illegal cargo.
[03.09.2020 20:40:15] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Well, more like ordance.
[03.09.2020 20:40:24] FTP|Skyraven|: you are not in liberty
[03.09.2020 20:40:43] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Nope, but we are in a system that is bordering Liberty.
[03.09.2020 20:41:00] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: And I can assure you, the Imperials won't like those Nomad ordance either.
[03.09.2020 20:41:01] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: love to stay and chat girls but me must depart
[03.09.2020 20:41:13] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: raven on me
[03.09.2020 20:41:17] FTP|Skyraven|: "my partner" has an empty hold
[03.09.2020 20:41:17] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: First you will get rid of those Nomad materials.
[03.09.2020 20:41:19] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Then you can go.
[03.09.2020 20:41:30] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Unless you want me to call the Rheinland Military here.
[03.09.2020 20:41:36] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: get ready for fireworks
[03.09.2020 20:41:43] FTP|Skyraven|: oh give him the stupid ammo, he wont feel so bad then
[03.09.2020 20:42:09] OS&C|Breezewood: You already have one house on your case, you might be well served to avoid aggravating a second
[03.09.2020 20:42:20] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: well if they want them
[03.09.2020 20:42:26] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: I'm waiting.
[03.09.2020 20:42:59] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Wasn't that hard now, was it ?
[03.09.2020 20:43:09] FTP|Skyraven|: truly pathetic, refuses to engage xeno and wants nomad ammo... sad
[03.09.2020 20:43:10] Death: Orderless was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[03.09.2020 20:43:18] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Cut the bullshit, and be on your way.
[03.09.2020 20:43:22] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: dont really care for them
[03.09.2020 20:43:27] FTP|Skyraven|: i am staying
[03.09.2020 20:43:30] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Asheville actual and Lt. Dexter.
[03.09.2020 20:43:31] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: On me.
[03.09.2020 20:43:35] XA-Viper.: Hey navy
[03.09.2020 20:43:38] FTP|-FL-Skyhawk|: now dont be so rude
[03.09.2020 20:43:47] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: roger
[03.09.2020 20:43:49] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Yeah, hello, Xenos. [03.09.2020 20:43:52] FTP|Skyraven|: SAME PERSON IN DIFFERENT CHAR
[03.09.2020 20:43:56] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Watch it mate.
[03.09.2020 20:43:59] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: They don't really uhh.
[03.09.2020 20:44:03] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Say anything before shooting.
[03.09.2020 20:44:08] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Yep.
[03.09.2020 20:44:28] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Right, let's move out, these lot should be able to sort it out themselves.
[03.09.2020 20:44:37] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Brezeewood, if you want to move out, now'd be a good time.
[03.09.2020 20:44:39] 46th|Dexter.Darwin: roger sir
[03.09.2020 20:44:50] OS&C|Breezewood: Understood