(09-28-2020, 12:09 AM)Karlotta Wrote: Thank you for laying bare your views, especially because they are unfortunately not as uncommon as one would think here, in era where humanity has managed to build societies that were able to split the atom, go to space, and permit instantaneous communication between individuals almost all over the globe. They are, without exageration, the reason why the island in lord of the flies, oceania in 1984, and the animal farm look like disneyland compared to disco.
yes i am a grand force of regression in the human race
it's a video game
(09-28-2020, 12:09 AM)Karlotta Wrote: I dont have enough time to adress the root of the problem which led you to conclusions like "social politics are dumb", but I will adress what seems to be your main point of "ciriclejerks will always exist".
cool then you shouldn't mention what you aren't addressing because it can be made abundantly clear in work that you aren't addressing something by simply not addressing it, referring to the idea that you are not addressing something only works when the topic is contentious and there is a likely misconception applied to the work, typically derived either from the title or the topic
otherwise, yes, that is my main point, congratulations
(09-28-2020, 12:09 AM)Karlotta Wrote: Let me begin by saying I am not at all oposed to circle jerks in general.
and i did not mention that you were, though you seem to believe that there are certain "terribad" circlejerks that need to be removed
(09-28-2020, 12:09 AM)Karlotta Wrote: You wanna take your group of friends that all think alike and dont give a toss about anyone outside your group, and do the best you can to destroy da enemy? By all means, give it your best shot. I have always oposed those here that say "noob groups and friend groups that arent integrated in disco only cause problems and should be forced to submit to the vets". That's draconian, toxic, counterproductive, stuck up, ignorant, and mean. Everyone should be able to have their circlejerk in which they can do what ever they want as long as they stick to the rules. Make your unoffical faction, stay an indy, and knock yourselves out. Declare war on 95% of the community, and fight with them to the best of your ability. Go for it, I'll defend your right to have that circlejerk with my last breath, and god knows I have done so many times in the past, to the ire of the circlejerk in power.
you're the one putting words in my mouth chief, i only care about noobs when they start doing actively dumb things (a very frequent occurrence, mind) that are counterproductive to things like, i dunno, roleplay. you also wouldn't defend me in the slightest because you're already presenting me as an objectively antagonistic force and asserting that i just hate new people by default (which is verifiably false)
(09-28-2020, 12:09 AM)Karlotta Wrote: But what we actually DONT need is for Game MAsters, Admins, Developers, House Governments, and Official factions that have additional powers over people outside their circlejerk to become a circlejerk. Those guys can NOT go to war or disregard 95% of the community. If the reasons for that arent obvious to you, I point to what happened to Louis XVI, the brit in murica, and Muammar al-Gadfafi. And to the fact that those nations that undertook stringent measures to keep circle jerks out of their governments always overtook all the others in the long run.
yes and you don't realize that, among other things, you're talking about changes in government and not social cliques. governments are not, in fact, cliques on their own. cliques are frequently things like an aristocracy, a political party, or upper management in a company, and if you're looking for a more viable comparison i can point you to standard oil in the united states, and how anti-monopoly laws only constructed a system wherein standard broke into various companies (like exxonmobil) that now cooperate to achieve the same overall goal of controlling the market via special interest groups, lobbying, and other things most people don't hear about, because they want to. just as much as people want to play a video game with their friends and exclude things they don't like because that harms their own perceived fun.
(09-28-2020, 12:09 AM)Karlotta Wrote: Yes, circle jerks will always exist, and if you keep them out of one place they will jsut move to another. But there are definately certain places (governments, police, judges, juries, and bridge safety commissions) where it is ABSOLUTELY worth it to keep them down, if not out.
let me break this down for you really easy
person wants to do something (influence liberty government)
person joins group of people that want to do the something (joins libgov)
group is discouraged/rendered incapable of doing thing they want to do, or from removing something they do not wish to deal with via legislation (like, say, keeping certain people out of libgov due to theorized rules being put in place)
they find a loophole, or means to do the thing without raising suspicion, or just flat out become malicious (say, voting against a person to nullify their desired influence)
they keep trying to do thing (exclude the person from influencing libgov processes)
red tape just means people find a way around it, and again, this thread is a waste of keystrokes, particularly yours
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