Governments, OF and [LIA]

[Gardarik]

Mentioning "Lord of the flies" which shows how a human society can degrade under pressure, the troubles of post-war kids in England, and how easily cults (be it religious or of a person) can be created is also veeeeeery to the point of circlejerking.

The book is actually less about "humanity degrading under pressure", but rather about how the accomplishments and merits of the past (the knowledge and discipline to question and resist your primal urges, which the kids on the island dont have) are necessary to keep society functioning at the level it does. Without it, we revert to savagery. It's actually a very good analogy to disco, and to the "who cares about trying to keep circle jerks out of power, caring for all members, or sticking to the rules we agreedon earlier, lets do what we want" attitude in particular.

The book can be interpreted in different ways, different topics being the primary ones for different readers. Besides, discipline and ways of treating circlejerks have nothing in common. Circlejerks can be treated as a naturally formed institution with its own rules and regulations and it is natural that an institution, say a university or closer to disco reality - a faction, decide whom to admit and whom not to. Because RP is quite vague and difficult to evaluate objectively, I see no issue with the circle deciding by vote whether they want a new member or not following a discussion.

About Oceania and "1984" I will not even waste the breath - the link to circlejerking on Disco is obvious.

Not the circlejerking explicitly, but the "having power for the sake of power", and "deciding what the truth is depending on what is must convenient for our circlejerk" aspects of criclejerking, which are integral parts of it. I could tell you episodes of the past where this becomes more clear than it might be to you right now, but that would be kind of boring and repetetive. I'll just say certain people in power said some pretty dystopian things very similar to "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others" when it came to passing OP gear to their favorite factions (such as PHantoms and Keepers), and like "2+2=5 if the party says so" (sounding like "if admins dont say its a rule violation, then it isnt, and when they say it is, then it is"). It's quite possible that you have no idea what I'm talking about right now, but its none the less true that disco is still "under the spell" of those people, because they started the "conspiracy" memes all the idiots here are still evoking, they wrote the rules that no one after dared to improve, and they put in place the circlejerk type recruitment that is still used today in disco.

Certainly, without the context like you present I cannot treat the reference adequately. However, the issue of not letting LIA in Libgov is not about the "pixel power for the sake of pixel power" but about an institution having the rights to decide upon its membership. They are not imposing some "truth" as it was in "1984". I do not see the abuse of pixel power if they decide following a vote that a new member will not contribute to their activity in a positive way.

1. Write down how you want Officials Factions to behave, concretely. Make acting responsibly inside a house government part of it.

2. Apply those criteria when granting officialdom.

3. Write down how you want House Governments to behave, and make sure they do, instead of keeping them some vague "you can do what you want but not always" circlejerk that only accepts people who fulfilled god-knows-what criteria to please current members.

It's not that hard.

While criteria for a faction to be included on "the gov" can be beneficial, it will just impose more burden on the OF who certainly are now not worth being OF. There are no substantial benefits or perks being OF while more and more constrains and burdens are suggested to be imposed on them.

As for the rules for inclusion on the Gov, I suppose it would be beneficial if the existing govs themselves RPed the requirements to be put on the gov. It will reflect the differences between the Houses and other factions with the govs (obviously, criteria for Maltese gov are different from criteria for LibGov). Besides, "too many cooks spoil the broth", so the number of people and/or factions on the gov is also something better to be limited lest we want to have the situation like with the devs who have some sort of chaos because of too many people involved.