Deterrence OF application

[Ravenna Nagash]

Thank you all for the first feedbacks, they are much appreciated. A lot of things to discuss:

Well since I was asked to give my personal opinion on this faction, I will give my honest opinion on it and I wont sugarcoat anything.

Thanks, this is generally the road that leads to improvement.

To start with, I highly doubt this faction has 45 'main members' and this is excluding the recruits.

This number comes from the number of people that have achieved the rank of Vanguard on our discord server. To achieve that rank, a recruit must:

1) Do at least 3 activities with a core member of the group. (Missions, Trading, Raiding, BZ, etc.)
2) Have donated 50 million to our bank.
3) Preferably committed a ship to our fleet with 1 military mission on it, minimum.
4) Have a core member vouch for them.

Every single person that has achieved that rank has accomplished the above. This naturally does not account for activity which factors in time zones, RL responsibilities, or players choosing to play other factions than our own (which I do not discourage). To correlate these numbers to our activity, we have 36d 17:22:21 of activity for the past 3 months, which is 2nd place out of all tagged factions. It's worth mentioning that we spend a lot of time on untagged ships.

I am on the DTR channel myself and they basicly hand out the 'potential recruit' status to whoever pops in there unless they state otherwise (I actually confirmed this by asking someone who had that rank, he claimed he never requested it).

We only apply the ''potential recruit'' role to people that have requested to join us. To do anything further, they have to pass the aforementioned requirements. Anyone else goes into an assorted category and we have no people on our Discord with no role - honestly because I have an OCD about data categorization. If by some accident, the role was assigned by mistake, I am happy to remove the role of recruit from the person that you've talked to. Have them reach out to me and I will fix it tomorrow. Or they can reach out to me.

95% of them are people I have never seen before.

That percentage is probably very high but you are correct that a lot of us are new, that's true.

Like the leader had no idea what Corsair and GC relations were.

I think you misunderstood me when I approached you - I wanted to establish a relationship between us as people and our groups in terms of doing things together - events, fights, feedback, etc. And I wanted to understand more nuances about your group. I am fully aware that GC are hostile to Corsairs. We did attack you when you sieged that base if you recall. I will be honest though, I don't know every detail about every faction out there. But generally these things can be learned fairly quickly. I also establish similar relationships with every leader that we encounter as a base-line. It's good to avoid drama and misunderstandings.

They never have much longlivity as it relies too much on the presence of that one person. Meaning that if ravenna should take a break or quit, the entire faction will plummet and die. Officialdom isnt easy and if you go this route you will be in for the long run. Its an added risk.

I agree with this. Although, I am in it for the long haul as I like the game, I've already taken steps in this direction. More to follow.

I really do hope you consult others before you go and change stuff on the wiki page. There are other corsair factions than DTR.

We were referring more to the general wiki - as in resources, ship locations, things that players actually need to look up like information. I would not touch another player faction's wiki page, period. If something needs to be changed that relates to other groups, things should be discussed, as in other wiki communities that I am a part of.

To many people here I am considdered new and I have been here for 4 years now. So there really isn't a history to speak off yet. The time scale on this game is massive. Some have been playing for 14 years. Don't get disillusioned, you need to start somewhere. But proving yourself to this community is challenging.

I was referring to specific situations with some of our enemies where I gave my word on specific actions and I've delivered. Hopefully these people will provide this feedback and share my sentiment. While I appreciate your point, legacy and history is an important thing that I can respect - 4 years is a bit unrealistic, don't you think? Especially on a game with extremely low population and with a very dangerously low influx of new players. The cost-benefit analysis just isn't there, from an analytical point of view.

Also proving yourself is a two-way street and respect comes from both sides. The old timers have a responsibility to the newer community - otherwise you would be playing with the same 20 people, don't you think?

I appreciate your feedback and thank you for the honest response. We'll work on the points that you've raised.

So even there will be 20 active members they gonna overpower everything in their zoi. 45 members? they can eat House alive

Don't worry, different time zones are a thing for us as well. Thank you for your message.

The good people decided to become a Outcast, everyone else who was left, joined the Corsairs.

Good luck.

Thank you for your feedback.

all i see is 3-4 actives players with decent roleplay. others are only filling shoes and use in roleplay (when they actually do RP) while have 0 clues of what going on.... IMO do a cleanup before even concidering being a real faction.

I disagree. New players need to be given a chance and to be taught. I am not going to do a clean-up because that's not the kind of person I am and the kind of integrity I have. And if that was a condition to be an official group, I would not apply at all and we can be rejected and I am fine with that.

Thank you though for taking the time to write in this thread.

1) A couple RP Oriented chatterboxes

Thank you first of all for all the kind words. I agree with your point very strongly. We already had a bit of a problem because we attacked in a situation without RP-ing enough. I've spoken with all my members on this and to provide sufficient roleplay. Your feedback is appreciated, we'll try to incorporate this suggestion in our overall battles.

2) Forum presence

To be perfectly honest, I dislike forums. Having said that, it's just the way things in Disco work and I've accepted that. We've started to roleplay on the forum and I've updated all our threads to accommodate for that model including a message dump thread and updated info/recruitment page. I absolutely agree - visuals and images are much needed. I'll definitely improve our info page further. I am happy you liked the wiki page. You should see improvements in this area quite soon.

3) Events + added regions

Absolutely agree. It's indeed our first event - quite excited for it and how it plays out. I've already approached other leaders of enemy factions for more events between us - we will likely plan another one beyond the one mentioned in December and more to come.

Playing with this group is a treat, very friendly and not scared to ask questions.

Thank you for taking the time and the kind words.

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