Deterrence OF application

[Ravenna Nagash]

I think some people are being needlessly but very strongly emotional for something that can be resolved logically and quite easily.

As a general point, I continue to be baffled by a few arguments being brought to our attention - that we use our numbers to our advantage.

1) If you see that the enemy have clearly numerological advantage - why would you attack with the certainty and expectation that your enemy would not use that? How is that RP-sound? We are all trying to RP in here right?

2) Why do you expect us to always limit our numbers but not yourselves? We've done so in the past - give the enemy a fair fight which nets the enemy kills, until said enemies then log more people and now we are suddenly at a huge disadvantage. Why would we constantly limit ourselves tactically? I've seen plenty of times when people have attacked us without any problem while having more ships than we do.

3) Why are you only accounting for numbers and not accounting for player skill which is actually the most important factor when determining battle fairness? I've seen people boast freely that they can take on 4-5 DTRs single-handedly without a problem. In fact, I've also seen plenty of times people take on many of us and win due to combat inexperience. I am not sure why this is never brought up in this conversation.

4) Why are you expecting from DTR to be constantly a match-making service for you? It's a real battle, and battle is often chaotic.

I am not even going to talk about tech advantage because that will get even murkier but no one seems to mention that.

First time I've logged into this game in several months, honestly, this was the most depressing way to get to know what DTR is. 4 or 5 snubs against other snubs and a handful of anti-snub caps.

DTR was not fighting aces either (me not included as I joined in at the very, very end and left just as quickly after I realized what an actual sh

itshow it was.), so that excuse does not work out well for you. Don't pull the "bro this faction full of newbies (:". Whether new or old, people should know that such odds aren't fun for anyone. The people that got piled would have given DTR snubs a fair fight, however, they got spat in their faces by a disgusting show of sportsmanship.

All in all, I honestly believe this faction does not deserve any possibility of being an official faction if it will behave. I will just leave a passing comment by some random person from in-game.

[20.03.2022 22:24:08] Hitman-97: wtf... 12 DTR's against 5

Please see the above points in regards to your argument. People freely engage us as well with higher numbers. Should I comment every time people attack us when they have more numbers?

Would it kill you to not shove caps into snub fights? Twice, in a row, today.

First fight, you had about 3-4 snubs, which was absolutely more than necessary to take down a heavy bomber and medium bomber. But you kept on insisting on using caps on said bombers. Sure. They attacked in a group fight, but the other enemy cap(...s? ) had died. You could have pulled some off.

I would have partially disregarded it until later today, where your lot decided you'd rather have caps in snub fights. There could have been a mixed brawl, but apparently it was entirely necessary to shove even more caps onto 4 enemies. And not to mention the low-key abusing the docking modules to get infinite repairs because of funny rule loopholes.

I've seen other factions having restraint, why can't you show any? You could have slightly ganked with fighters, that would have been fine. But shoving 14 people onto 2 people with every ship class in the game AND then having the gall to hug said caps?

Come on now, you wept for fun and fairness and then proceed to do this without remorse, do you really think those 2 Core/OC Destroyers deserved an armada of bricks? I don't think you have the right to complain about fairness after doing that twice in a row.

Even that poor random lone RHA BS got swarmed. What is wrong with you.

I am sorry if you had a bad experience, but the above points are also very much relevant to your argument as well. Additionally, as mentioned by other people, we had an event. We can't magically change our entire organization, fleet composition, and plans to accommodate your game-play in an instant. Don't you think that's a bit unreasonable for you to expect so?

You've never mentioned any issues before so I'm a bit surprised at this sudden call-out. You can't have alleged constant issues with us for months, never raise them to me and expect some kind of action really. It doesn't work that way unfortunately, but I am very eager to catch up with you and dissect the issues and work on them together.

DTR doesn't exist to play with others, just themselves. 45 days of activity and almost all of it is missions/pve zones/afk group jerk-off session

It'd be best for you to just let them do their thing, since clearly they don't want to interact with you besides dog piles.

Communication is a two-way street. You can always approach us and we can organize an event or anything really. We've organized plenty of stuff with our other enemies. If you've never talked to us or approached us, what did you expect? Also what now, we are being criticized for actually using gameplay loops within a game? I really can't take this comment seriously to be honest.

Cool opinion. Next time when 2/5 players go to interract with 10/20 guys on a planned public event I suggest DTR instantly stops their planned activity, split their 20 person group into 4 subgroups of 5, switch to attacking team ship class and interract with even force. So much unfairness of them that 20 persons didn't stopped what they were doing for 5 guys coming to ruin the fun oh, and if mr. Bahahas logs, would also be cool that at least one of DTR guys switch to a trader, so senor Bahahas can uncloak and blow something up, as per his customs.

Pretty much this. It's difficult to organize something and then suddenly having to accommodate everyone else according to their exact specifications.

Perhaps some of your members should try playing other factions for perspectives, rather than everyone being on one team all the entire. It warps your point of view to be with the same people forever.

Plenty of DTR players has since moved on from only DTR and are playing other factions - some in Liberty, some in Gallia, some have even created their own factions themselves. They are free to do so. I do not overlord over every DTR member and people are free to choose what and how they want to play the game.

In general, I think this situation is quite blown out of proportions and people are quite emotive rather than logical.

We are, always have, and always will be open to RP, events, and interacting with other factions. You only need to ask or approach. We've said it many times - if you want a coordinated event with equal numbers, you are free to talk to us. We can even create stakes or consequences for said events.

Here's an example:

https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...tid=191275

Also anyone has any issues with my members or with faction conduct, my door is always open. Let's have a conversation and discuss it, share context and understanding from both sides. It's serves a much better purpose than causing a public drama for all to see. Such actions generally do disservice for everyone because it creates the antagonistic view over an entire faction or so called hive-mind mentality that X as a group is bad altogether. Such blanket statements are never useful if you truly want things to improve or for you to be heard and your point actually actioned upon.

Unfortunately, I am at work right now so that's all I can say on the matter for the time-being. Will reply to all Discord messages as soon my shift is done.

Have a pleasant day everyone.

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