Hogosha in NY

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This whole thread started essentially with a "I don't like this or think it's fair and can't we stop them?" premise. That's why I said the viewpoint is preconceived and biased.

Iv seen a Hogosha claiming that he is lawful and "can't be touched" by lawfuls and states that NY is in his factions ZOI because he does Artifact smuggling.

This was actualy the original complaint. The fact that a hogosha said he was lawful and could not be touched. So yeah I don't like that and we should stop him. That doesn't mean I want a rule saying he can't come in to liberty. Stop using that as an arguement its getting old. If I see a hogosha I will kill him only because they are hostile to me. I could care less what they do.

I am not trying to restrict RP here. My point is that both sides are biased bc they want something. If you can't see that then I cannot help. People are restricted by ZOI thats the way the game works. You won't see RM running around liberty bc they are busy doing things in Rheinland. Like the hogosha should be busy doing things in kusari. My question was who decides when it is ok for a group to extend their ZOI?

I think the Hogosha player you originally mentioned was not showing the best rp--to be kind. As to not being touched? Depends on by who. Just a bad experience with a not so good play. You don't have to change rules for it.

There is a difference in a faction extending its ZOI and a smuggling faction taking it core role play commodity to the best market for it. Take for example, DW wanting Omega-15 as a clan system. They were told no by admins. Look at Outcast and Corsair players wanting to send fleets to camp in Liberty on a regular basis--also told no. But a Junker can arguably fly almost anywhere. Does this include Order space? There doesn't seem much reason to be there for a Junker but we don't need a hard rules interpretation to prevent it because someone might role play that. In fact, I can think of an angle on that too--for example, there is a Junker bribe at Mitchell Prison station.

Absolutely Hogosha should be doing things in Kusari...all three of them. Their name means "Guardian" and they should be about. A Hogosha player carrying a Hogosha ID has no permanent business in Liberty (though I can actually think of an exception to even that--which I'll keep to myself and maybe share with a real Hogosha player some time).

Hogosha are Order allies--What's the ZOI for this?

Hogosha re Corsair allies--What's the ZOI for this?

Hogosha are stated to be financed primarily by their artifact sales--where do they get and sell them to be so successful at it that it funds their operations? What's the ZOI for this?

Hogosha are allies to Gaians--What's the ZOI for this?

Hogosha are commited nationalists--there is a war against Bretonia. What's the ZOI for this?

Hogosha are hard enemies of Junkers and GMG--what ZOI should that include?

I'm not sarcastically asking these questions. When you talk about "extending ZOI" its wrong if someone just fabricates a non-sensical reason to do so.

Hogosha have an extended ZOI already--just no one is playing it. And just as people opposed Junkers having a faction clan, some players will say, "No No No!...put the Hogosha toys back in the vanilla box!" Hogosha can play any of the above scenarios as long as they have a good character rationale for each character doing so. Of the Hogosha I played, one had a "Guards tag". he flew a Kusari gunboat and made raids on passing Outcasts ships in Tau near kali base and the Kyushu jh. he also occasionally made hit and run raids versus Bretonian shipping just inside the gate by Leeds. Another smuggled synth marijuana and artifacts to Liberty--carrying a mixed load so if the authorities were at one sell point, they could dock the other and still sell until it was clear. Another played as an Order "exchange" pilot. Flying with the Order as an ally to show commitment and gain knowledge and skills of their allies they could return home with. Stilla nother made regular trips to Gamma to be known to the Corsairs. All patrolled Kusari on a regular basis.

Which ones were "out of their ZOI"?

The solution is not to say, "Well no one is playing it much so let's shut it down more so no one will."

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