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Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons?
Offline chopper
07-26-2008, 10:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-26-2008, 10:12 PM by chopper.)
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There are problems, of course, with balancing things perfectly.

For example, as it is now, 2 gunboats can beat the crap out of battleship. Why?
Gunboat has enough shield to go near the BS (some 800-1000m) and dodge until it looses shield.
While he's being shot at, another GB is shooting BS's shield all the time.
Now the GB that lost shield is some 2k away and BS can't hit his hull, so he switches to another GB.
Then the GB who had no shield gets his shield and he starts shooting while the other one is being shot at.
And so on and so on.
Suffice is to say that 2 Lunchboxes, which are one of the biggest GB's, managed to do this to a Zoner Juggernaut without loosing a single bot, only bats.
It was dead before it knew what hit him.

So, in this particular situation, problems are - great GB shield + good anti-cap strategy.

Another thing that Dusty mentioned in another thread is that 2 bombers must be pretty damn good to take on a BS.
That is pretty much true.
There are stories how ANY 2 bombers can take on ANY BS.
That's a lie, and ya all know it.
First thing is, pilots must be able to coordinate.
For example, BS has just a bit of shield, and only one bomber has enough energy to fire a SN.
Now at this moment, the one who has enough energy MUST WAIT for it's shield to raise a bit.
Why is that? If you shoot it off right now, there's a possibility that shield will regen before your buddy gets enough energy to shoot SN in it's hull.
So, you must wait for it's shield to raise a bit, but still one SN should be able to take it down again.
And then the other one shoots the hull.
Also, if a BS player is a good aimer, bombers are very important.
There's no way in hell for 2 Barghests to beat an experienced BS captain.
Same with Thor.

What I'm trying to say is.. 2 average bombers can't take down an average BS captain.
2 good bombers can take any BS down, if they are flying some real bombers (Snubnose, Taiidan, Falcata, Praetorian, Catamaran etc.).

What's the problem here? There's no problem, you lack your bloody fighter protection.
I am sure that a BS with 1 or 2 fighters can take on 2 or even 3 bombers, if fighters now their job.
Especially LF's which can keep their shield down all the time, possibly distract them as well.

Some ships need balancing, yes. Some ships don't.
Making BS's with more armor is not going to help you a lot against bombers.
Against GB's - maybe. Against bombers, not really.
Once BS's shield is down, shaking starts. That's the moment where BS captain is starting to get nervous.
One LF can shake it's view like an earthquake.

Now, if you could somehow fix the shaking thing, it would solve MANY problems for BS pilots.

I'v seen people complain about 2 VHF's taking on a GB. That is fairly easy I must say.
A GB pilot can beat 2 experienced VHF's only if he's a good GB missile user, which isn't hard at all.
But a GB with 2 GB missiles won't be able to take on a BS with another GB.
So, GB's are either one, or the other. They can't be both.

What Tenacity said could also help.
Making GB's with 1000 max range would really help. Exceptions here should be only GB Infernos, GB Battle Razors (which are now pretty useless) and GB Forward guns (again pretty much useless).
That means, all other guns, including cerbs, should have max range at around 1000m.

Cruisers should be able to shoot to some 1500, while BS's should shoot as much as they can now.

Bombers need to keep their SN max range, as it's very slow and only hits the BS.
You can't hit a good Cruiser pilot from 1500 range, no way.
You can't hit a good GB pilot from more then 500-700 range.
So that is ok, I guess.

I think there are problems, but I think we'll never be able to address them all.
Changes are needed, sure, if for nothing else then for the sake of killing the monotony.
But you should all be aware that balance can never be perfect.
There will always be good ships, better ships, crap ships, even crap classes of ships.
What we can try is to lower the difference between them, that's all.

Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del
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Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-26-2008, 08:37 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Tenacity - 07-26-2008, 08:44 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-26-2008, 09:06 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Jinx - 07-26-2008, 09:08 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Unseelie - 07-26-2008, 09:08 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-26-2008, 09:17 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Tenacity - 07-26-2008, 09:31 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Muleo - 07-26-2008, 09:35 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Jinx - 07-26-2008, 09:41 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-26-2008, 09:41 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Jinx - 07-26-2008, 09:54 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-26-2008, 10:04 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 07-26-2008, 11:07 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-26-2008, 11:20 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Virus - 07-26-2008, 11:43 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-26-2008, 11:57 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by gafwmn - 07-27-2008, 12:35 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by timmychen - 07-27-2008, 01:34 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 07-27-2008, 01:45 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by mjolnir - 07-27-2008, 02:03 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Raekur - 07-27-2008, 03:52 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by dizbmikuni - 07-27-2008, 02:23 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Muleo - 07-27-2008, 02:34 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by worldstrider - 07-27-2008, 03:44 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by dizbmikuni - 08-01-2008, 02:07 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dantrithor - 08-01-2008, 02:43 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by dizbmikuni - 08-01-2008, 02:59 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Armageddon - 08-01-2008, 04:22 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Telbasta - 08-01-2008, 04:42 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by ... kur nubėgo? - 08-06-2008, 12:37 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Cellulanus - 08-06-2008, 07:56 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by MrCynical - 08-06-2008, 08:36 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by sovereign - 08-06-2008, 09:15 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 08-06-2008, 09:56 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Mannock - 08-07-2008, 04:55 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Ranquest - 08-17-2008, 03:57 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 08-17-2008, 05:39 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-18-2008, 02:36 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-18-2008, 02:48 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-18-2008, 03:05 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Eppy - 08-18-2008, 03:14 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-18-2008, 03:23 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-18-2008, 04:25 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Eppy - 08-18-2008, 04:37 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by frozen - 08-18-2008, 04:57 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-18-2008, 05:18 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-18-2008, 06:14 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Linkus - 08-18-2008, 06:17 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by mjolnir - 08-18-2008, 10:57 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-19-2008, 08:24 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Seth Karlo - 08-19-2008, 11:37 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-19-2008, 07:01 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-19-2008, 07:16 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Armageddon - 08-19-2008, 09:08 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 08-20-2008, 12:21 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-20-2008, 01:39 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by jimmy Patterson - 08-20-2008, 02:03 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Lunaphase - 08-20-2008, 03:43 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by jimmy Patterson - 08-20-2008, 04:08 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-20-2008, 07:00 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-20-2008, 03:56 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-20-2008, 08:21 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-20-2008, 10:23 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by SGTMatt - 08-21-2008, 12:13 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-21-2008, 11:35 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-21-2008, 05:09 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Lunaphase - 08-21-2008, 05:18 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Armageddon - 08-21-2008, 05:25 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Varyag - 08-21-2008, 06:43 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-21-2008, 07:22 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Edge - 08-21-2008, 08:07 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-21-2008, 08:25 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by mjolnir - 08-21-2008, 08:26 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 08-21-2008, 08:34 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by bluntpencil2001 - 08-21-2008, 09:19 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Dusty Lens - 08-21-2008, 09:29 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by bluntpencil2001 - 08-21-2008, 09:36 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 08-22-2008, 12:37 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-22-2008, 03:21 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 08-22-2008, 03:25 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by bluntpencil2001 - 08-22-2008, 01:48 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-22-2008, 03:50 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Edge - 08-22-2008, 08:40 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-22-2008, 09:13 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Jinx - 08-22-2008, 10:44 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by mjolnir - 08-22-2008, 11:29 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-23-2008, 12:13 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by chopper - 08-23-2008, 05:55 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Colonel Z.e.r.o. - 08-23-2008, 06:38 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 08-23-2008, 09:30 AM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Bill Christ. - 08-23-2008, 10:16 PM
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Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Walker - 08-27-2008, 07:31 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by El Nino - 09-03-2008, 05:02 PM
Capships, increasingly slower fighters? Or strategic weapons? - by Koolmo - 09-15-2008, 04:12 AM
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