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Levenna · (This post was last modified: 10-24-2023, 04:37 PM by Levenna.)

I won't comment on all of this, but I do have some counterpoints and a few agreements.

1) You say that you don't like the snac changes, but then the paragraph after complain about balance magic, the removal of which was what prompted the change to SNACs. Having them oneshot any snub is not a viable alternative; it's not high risk high reward, it's dive in and get one shot in to end someone's participation in a fight outright either through luck or just good players consistently dunking on people who don't know how to fly good. I don't want to roll around oneshotting 98.6% of the server. That's not skill expression, that's not what I find fun gameplay. I seriously doubt it's fun for the people that just die in 10 seconds to someone like me or wesker or chuba or honourwolf either, in a manner not entirely unlike this. It might just let me win the [LN] merit award for a 1v10 though so that's nice I guess.

2) The cruiser shard isn't and shouldn't be as good as it was last patch. That gun was objectively the best weapon in slot and reworking it was very justified. The way to win a cruiser duel last patch was have a shard, end of story. That is not healthy balance. Cruiser duels were stay on your opponent's side until you won, and the playstyle against larger capitals were strafe in a box being unhittable until you won, end of story. I don't buy that this patch somehow has less variety than that. Impacts are not the objective best, you aren't going to hit a competent BC at max range with them for instance, you need Tachyons for that. Impacts only work when they can hit. Real world, they don't always hit. I sadly didn't record it, but I had a duel against @Haste's battlecruiser and I can promise you I wouldn't have hit impacts against him without eating monstrous amounts of damage in return from his BC heavy.

2.1) If I recall correctly, both Cerberus and Orthrus have more velocity than impacts by a fairly significant percentage, while maintaining similar DPS. That's a pretty solid reason to use them.

3) Cruisers do not need another tool for dealing with gunboats, it's already the easiest matchup for them, and their prims eat snubs for breakfast already. I will happily go to pew you in conn to prove this, if that's your wish.

4) Dodging missiles in a cruiser I honestly think is a vital part of their skill expression right now, they don't have as much complexity as battlecruisers in terms of weapon group management, positioning, etc. so their skill expression needs to have a high skill ceiling in terms of raw mechanical movement imo. I don't think they need flaks/other ways to deal with missiles.

4.1) Flaks really are kind of crap right now, at least battleship flaks, I haven't tried BC flaks so I won't comment there. I straight up couldn't flak incoming missiles on the couple fights I had in a libdread. While cruisers I think are fine and don't need flaks, BSs/BCs might need to get looked at in that respect.

5) I think (well no, I've observed that) a lot of battlecruiser players get trapped into chasing their opponent bow-on, hence many people are struggling with dodging other non-missile weaponry. A broadside battlecruiser can use acceleration to dodge, can use its BC heavy to threaten cruisers/gunboats, and generally has a lot more flexibility I think, along with still having their strafe to avoid high damage shots and/or large salvos.

6) Fighting gunboats on other classes:

Cruiser: Drive at them. That's.. really all there is to it, tbh. You're faster than them and as long as you take time to back off and recharge once your afterburner runs out, there's not much the gunboat can do.

Battlecruiser: Use your heavy and don't bowchase them (Take notes, @Chuba. Love you buddy.)

Battleship: Whittle down shields with secondaries.

Yes, a good gunboat can take down an inexperienced cruiser or BC, but equal skill they shouldn't win 1v1, again tested with myself pewing @Haste's battlecruiser, I barely got ~400k damage done before kind of just dying. Also gunboats by themselves do not have the same sustained DPS as a cruiser, I can promise you that. I know this from sitting and spending half an hour slowly whittling down two DTR battlecruisers on my Montante sometime last week, and dealing maybe 3-4 million damage total.

As for bombers, they're still being incrementally buffed since gunboats still roll them really hard tbh.

7) Powercore changes are controversial it's true, however I think a lot of people get trapped into trading blows with dead powercores when the solution to this is kind of similar to what fleet fights on cruisers/BCs have long been actually, dipping out of range to recharge your core while avoiding fire, then go back in range and close distance once you're ready to deal damage again.

Anyway, I hope at least some of these make sense. This isn't meant as a personal attack in any sort, I think you make some valid points, however I think some others aren't quite on the mark.

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