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Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff
Offline Spectre
10-24-2023, 07:11 PM,
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(10-24-2023, 04:09 PM)Fab Wrote: Silo missiles needed to be removed because of the new gun+missile approach: higher refire, less desync. a low refire (30s) missile would be a huge outlier. Silo missiles are a very specific solution to a very specific problem (it can only target battleships. if you fight something else, you're pretty much lacking a precious heavy slot) - all loadouts should be able to at least challenge any class. Also, silo missiles need huge ranges (Nightmare needed 10k, another huge outlier nowadays) and huge turn rates (it would need to be as fast as the cruiser missiles) PLUS huge flight times because of their arc. Server would start lagging quickly if a quick refire silo missile was introduced. I too love silo missiles, they're the coolest and the best looking. I tried my best to implement them at patch 5.0, but they simply couldn't work well. They might be re-introduced at later stages.
Maybe I'm just the outlier here, but Silos weren't nearly as much of a gimmick as a lot of people thought they were. You didn't need massive range if you fired the missile angled towards your target, which can help negate a good portion of the arc, and despite their niche I still saw them all over the place.
Used properly, they were also quite effective, depending on the variant, against each flavor of cap. Sure, cruisers would've always been harder to hit thanks to their mobility, but that was always the idea with silos: high risk/very high reward. The splash damage alone is a lot of the payoff, and incentivizes people not to huddle when there are silos in play.

Implemented, I could see them being somewhat akin to what we had before, except with the ranges nerfed to better complement the balance ranges that you guys were clearly going for. Maybe something like 4-5k, to keep in line with that idea of a 'beyond gun range weapon', tweak the refire so it doesn't take as long (although I never personally had much of a problem with it in the first place), maybe the speed as well so they aren't lingering as much, which would be helped by a shorter range so they auto-detonate sooner. Damage is, of course, the hardest thing to calibrate, but I wouldn't be upset seeing silos with a bit lower damage if they work well with the balance and they still pack a punch. You can even shoot missiles down with guns now, so that may even factor in with keeping their damage up while making them combat-capable.
As for lag, this is easily the most stable I've ever seen the server since I started playing the mod almost a decade ago, and I was there for Royal Flush. Sure, latency can still be an issue, but during high time I've almost never seen it have trouble.

Really though, use anything said here as suggestions for how to implement. Even if they stay incredibly niche and somewhat impractical during combat, I'd like to at least have that option.
I frankly didn't know I wanted silos in-game until they were in-game, so if I get to have that feeling again, even diluted somewhat, it'll be amazing.

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Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 10-24-2023, 03:33 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Fab - 10-24-2023, 04:09 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 10-24-2023, 04:35 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Lemon - 10-24-2023, 04:58 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Chxlls - 10-24-2023, 05:26 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Nepotu - 10-24-2023, 06:20 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Antonio - 10-24-2023, 06:26 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 10-24-2023, 09:32 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Firewolfy - 10-24-2023, 06:53 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Spectre - 10-24-2023, 07:11 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 10-24-2023, 09:30 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Fab - 10-24-2023, 09:59 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Couden - 10-24-2023, 09:41 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 10-24-2023, 10:02 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by LuckyOne - 10-24-2023, 09:58 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Fab - 10-24-2023, 10:00 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by LuckyOne - 10-24-2023, 10:07 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Couden - 10-24-2023, 10:11 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Reddy - 10-25-2023, 06:40 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Egon Bigmemes - 10-25-2023, 09:04 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Kaisershadow34 - 11-01-2023, 08:00 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Redcroft - 11-01-2023, 02:29 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Demonic - 11-01-2023, 03:07 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Kaisershadow34 - 11-01-2023, 07:25 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Uknown - 11-01-2023, 07:34 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 11-10-2023, 02:15 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Haste - 11-10-2023, 02:31 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 11-10-2023, 02:58 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 11-11-2023, 09:35 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-11-2023, 10:46 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 11-11-2023, 11:37 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Sarwar - 11-11-2023, 11:41 PM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Lemon - 11-12-2023, 07:10 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-12-2023, 02:09 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 11-12-2023, 07:33 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Dark Chocolate - 11-12-2023, 07:39 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Lemon - 11-12-2023, 07:47 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-12-2023, 08:21 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Schxer - 11-12-2023, 08:34 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-12-2023, 08:37 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Schxer - 11-12-2023, 08:50 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by LuckyOne - 11-12-2023, 08:45 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Lemon - 11-12-2023, 08:47 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by The_Godslayer - 11-12-2023, 08:47 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Lord Caedus - 11-12-2023, 09:06 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Arcana - 11-12-2023, 09:07 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-12-2023, 09:09 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Schxer - 11-12-2023, 09:20 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by LuckyOne - 11-12-2023, 09:30 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by LuckyOne - 11-12-2023, 09:11 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-12-2023, 09:25 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Schxer - 11-12-2023, 09:35 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-12-2023, 09:37 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Levenna - 11-12-2023, 09:39 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by Lord Caedus - 11-12-2023, 09:44 AM
RE: Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff - by JadeTornado - 11-21-2023, 03:53 AM

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