Version 5.0 "Fire and Fortune" - Everything I DISLIKED Part 1 - Balance and Stuff

[Levenna]

See this is the problem. You guys are Aces. Especially you with an LSC like super ultra pro max Ace level. I'm just a regular everyday normal player. You'd dismantle me regardless of what setup you or me use. I suspect the playtesting being done for the balance is also between aces. Like, Is there anyone with like medium/normal/average skill level in the playtesting team? ... Moreover, Is playtesting done only in duels? Is there play testing done for fleet battles? Like 5 vs 5? Or atleast 3 vs 3? Or against uneven odds?

I get what you're saying here, I really do, believe it or not. I was for a loooong long time just a normal everyday player too, but it's really simple things like for example, if you go towards the opponent instead of kiting away from them, missiles aren't good in cruiser duels, they just don't hit, I really wish I had a recorded example but sadly I don't. Like you don't have to perfectly play, you just have to be aware of what the counterplay is. I don't think everyone should be at a SUPER GIGA AMAZING ACE level, but I think learning basic counters is perfectly valid. I will, however, say that it should probably be on people like me to actually put out that information, though.

Likewise, a lot of grief in fleet battles can be solved by getting on VC with your buddies and just communicating that way.
"Oh shit I'm being dived!"
"Alright come to me I'll clear your tail, you keep focusing on shooting down the missiles."
That kind of thing isn't too bad, at least I don't think so?

Also I will straight up admit I wasn't a part of the group fight playtests, but I can at least tell you they did happen in.. I think at least 3v3? Maybe slightly more. Uneven odds the game isn't balanced around though, since balancing for uneven odds is, well, not balanced really if the odds *are* even obviously. As for the skill level of the playtesting team, sure it's probably on average not representative of the entire playerbase, I will definitely grant you that.



Edit:
With relation to countering missiles in a cruiser v cruiser (which I think is valid enough to be worried about, it happens outside conn pretty frequently), I have carefully constructed an advanced diagram. Tl;dr, missiles don't turn good close in, so you just get close and the missile can't really do much.




Edit 2: I just realised I've voiced this in playtest but literally nowhere else, I don't think cruisers should personally have much of an easier time dodging or otherwise dealing with missiles personally. The thing with cruisers is that, as a class, they don't have the depth or complexity in terms of something like battlecruisers, so a lot of their skill expression (pretty much all of it tbh) is tied up in mechanical movement skill. Giving them an easier means of dealing with missiles like, for example, flaks, kind of greatly decreases the skill gap in cruisers. This is also a bigger issue of "cruisers kinda need some more depth" but it is the way it is for now at least.

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