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Revert cruiser slot changes to 5.0
24.24%
16 24.24%
Keep them as they are (5.1)
54.55%
36 54.55%
Allow 5.0 and new 360 guns to be placed in any heavy slot (A mix of both)
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Revert cruiser slots changes
Offline Haste
06-03-2024, 01:20 AM,
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(06-03-2024, 12:57 AM)JadeTornado Wrote:
(06-02-2024, 11:27 PM)Haste Wrote: I dislike the idea of just making "forward-facing" and "backward-facing" copies of the same gun. Not only is it lazy, it also loses us some visual clarity. Right now, I know what to expect from a Storm, a Light Mortar, or a Tachyon. It'll always do the same amount of damage, etc. The forward and backward facing versions would not be the same, as Cruiser Heavies are faster and less efficient by design to set them apart from Defense Turrets. I think we already have the solution implemented in the game anyways: the Cruiser Razor - even if it may be a bit (too) difficult to acquire right now (?) - effectively is a forward-facing version of the Storm. It's a hybrid hullbuster but it's still distinct from the Storm.

TL;DR what if we just had more guns and they were still unique

I liked the idea and your reply makes me think it was done for the sake of "not be the same". It wasn't a problem to make a more energy-efficient Impact and name it "Desintegrator" in the last patch, and I knew what to expect from it.
But you've hidden the solution behind (difficult) grind. Why, if we'll get the analog of a gun from 5.0 anyway?

Well, because it's not quite a "Forward Storm", it's a gun with its own identity, though it fills a similar niche. The amount of grind required for them I'm unfamiliar with, and from the sounds of it is more than what was intended, but I can't say I've really looked into it much. I'd be all for both more open use and codename/PoB-built guns, though. Just a matter of making them and trying to keep them unique.

(06-03-2024, 01:08 AM)Fab Wrote: Permutations in a version 5.0 4-slot cruiser: 13^4 = 28.561
Permutations in a version 5.0 3-slot cruiser: 13^3 = 2.197

Permutations in a version 5.1 2h/2d (4-slot) cruiser: 11*11*6*6 = 4.356
Permutations in a version 5.1 2h/1d (3-slot) cruiser: 11*11*6 = 726
Permutations in a version 5.1 1h/2d (3-slot) cruiser: 11*6*6 = 396



as you can see, from version 5.0 to patch 5.1, the number of possible loadouts dropped drastically. What makes matters worse is that some of the new guns that should improve choices are fabricated and can't be bought from NPCs, so most of us is stuck with tachyon/mortar/solaris gat (3 options) for heavy and another 3 options for Defense, which is a wimpy permutation of 3^4 for a 4 slot cruiser and 3^3 for a 3 slotter.

I feel like we should be more occupied with the number of viable loadouts than with some theoretical number of loadouts of which the vast majority saw no use as they underperformed compared to your average cookie cutter shard loadout.

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Messages In This Thread
Revert cruiser slots changes - by Fab - 06-01-2024, 08:29 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Levenna - 06-01-2024, 08:40 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by monmarfori - 06-01-2024, 08:40 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by JadeTornado - 06-01-2024, 08:42 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Haste - 06-01-2024, 08:48 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Fab - 06-01-2024, 10:40 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Levenna - 06-02-2024, 12:28 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Harcourt Fenton Mudd - 12-31-2024, 09:47 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Arbs - 06-02-2024, 11:02 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Fab - 06-02-2024, 01:46 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Chxlls - 06-02-2024, 06:44 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Levenna - 06-02-2024, 06:23 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Haste - 06-02-2024, 07:25 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Australopithecus - 06-02-2024, 07:45 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Schxer - 06-02-2024, 08:08 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by L1ght - 06-02-2024, 09:07 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Spectre - 06-02-2024, 08:16 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Australopithecus - 06-02-2024, 08:26 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Jayce - 06-02-2024, 09:06 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Australopithecus - 06-02-2024, 09:52 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by pillow - 06-02-2024, 09:22 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Australopithecus - 06-02-2024, 10:22 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Schxer - 06-02-2024, 10:22 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Antonio - 06-03-2024, 09:20 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Traxit - 06-02-2024, 11:19 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Haste - 06-02-2024, 11:27 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by JadeTornado - 06-03-2024, 12:57 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Haste - 06-03-2024, 01:20 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by JadeTornado - 06-03-2024, 01:33 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Fab - 06-03-2024, 01:43 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Fab - 06-03-2024, 01:08 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Corvo Gotti - 06-03-2024, 09:29 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Akhetaten - 06-03-2024, 11:07 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Lemon - 06-03-2024, 09:32 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Shimamori - 06-03-2024, 10:12 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Dark Chocolate - 06-03-2024, 11:02 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Haste - 06-03-2024, 11:12 AM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Shimamori - 06-03-2024, 01:01 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Lusitano - 06-03-2024, 12:35 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Nepotu - 06-03-2024, 01:15 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Shimamori - 06-03-2024, 01:30 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Australopithecus - 06-03-2024, 01:39 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Darius - 06-03-2024, 01:35 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Corvo Gotti - 06-03-2024, 01:37 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Akhetaten - 06-03-2024, 08:24 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Fab - 06-03-2024, 01:46 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Nika - 12-31-2024, 10:33 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Harcourt Fenton Mudd - 01-02-2025, 10:27 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Harcourt Fenton Mudd - 01-16-2025, 10:25 PM
RE: Revert cruiser slots changes - by Chenzo- - 01-16-2025, 10:50 PM

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