Bounty Hunters Gone Wild

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My god, this looks like its going to be messy. Alrighty Baltar since you challenged me,
I'll answer, but not to satisfy your first post nor your thirst to ban all BH from Junker bases.

First a disclaimer. Baltar, I have seen you Roleplay quite well, so understand that I have
quite a bit of respect for you as a Role player. You play your pirate VERY well. So, the
following is seeking to understand, but it will be strongly opinionated and may come across
as personally attacking. That is not my intent.

I'll be reordering the quotes as they are relevant.

Hyung Soong:
First ... read up more on Bounty Hunters ... their infocard explicitly forbids them from operating on the wrong side of the law. Bounty Hunters are lawful ... they are NOT on the fence. You are thinking of Mercenaries. Bounty Hunters are FORBIDDEN to work for unlawfuls. Bounty Hunters are lawful ... they are not neutral and thus not in the gray area.

I agree. BH are Lawful. They are on the Lawful side. They cannot work for Unlawfuls. Mercs are on the unlawful side. I was not confusing the two when I said what I did.

Second ... you cannot have SOME Bounty Hunters friendly with Junkers and others hostile. This creates chaos and becomes abusive.

Yes, it does. All freedoms create that same chaotic abusive state, because it is up to the individual to do whatever appropriately. In this case those BH did not, and you are annoyed at them.

Third ... NPCs cannot hire PC bounty hunters ... period. Lets please keep these separate. The bounty hunter I'm referring to claimed the NPC Junkers hired him. In fact ... I had pirated his trade vessel earlier and he came back in his bounty hunter battle cruiser to take revenge.

That was not stated in the first post (but it is in your second - post #5). I'm not assuming that NPC's can do that. When I say Junkers can hire BH Im only talking about Players. Those BH are quite silly for having said that the Junkers hired them to kill other Junkers. No TRUE Junker would ever do that.

Fourth ... Bounty Hunters are an abusive PVP whoring group as a whole. You wanna get them in line ... please do ... I'd like to see the Bounty Hunter ID limit them to gunboats.

You are reacting to the situation that you found yourself in. You are actually not correct that the BH are all PVP whores. I know and have met plenty of players who understand what the role of a BH is and they do not "PVP whore". You are out of line in saying all BH are abusive PVP whores, and blanket putting people in a box. That is unacceptable, even if you are upset.

Fifth ... I don't care if bounty hunters are in Sigma 13 ... that's fine ... just don't park near Yanagi. When I take my pirate into a house system ... I stay at LEAST 5k away from any planet or base.

That fair enough. But, Junkers are different. That what this discussion keeps coming back to. A misunderstanding of Junker Roleplay, and of Bounty hunter Roleplay.

Sixth ... lets not be hypocrites here ... I hate this do as I say not as I do bit. We are either all following the same rules or the rules mean nothing. You cannot operate on one set of rules for good guys and a completely different set for bad guys.

Are you calling me a hypocrite or the unfairness that you have been subjected to of the complaints of OORP lawfuls camping unlawful bases being ignored?
And on one level, I do agree that we cannot operate to different rules for both groups. But on another level I disagree, because the two group DO operate differently (or should.) Lawfuls aren't allowed to pirate, but they can extort apparently. I don't like that. But then im limiting the RP potential of a cops role by saying that. There are good cops and corrupt cops. I can't say (and neither can you) only good cops are allowed on the server.

Once again ... bounty hunters CANNOT participate in ANY unlawful act ... this includes accepting bounties from unlawfuls.

This again is a misunderstanding of the Junker Roleplay. Junkers are not Unlawfuls. They are Semi-legal. There are many "lawful" Junkers i.e. who haven't done any crime in their lives. There are other Junkers who are extremely against any Lawful interference. There are also others who operate in the grey areas, of doing things illegal, but usually don't get caught - who also take jobs from th epolice and what not.

If I can respond to something Hyuung said:

Sure, a Junker :might: want to hire a bounty hunter...

As soon as the hunter steps foot on a Junker base, he/she would be killed rather quickly by the other inhabitants on the base. If a Bounty Hunter battlecruiser tried to dock with a Junker depot, it's likely the pirate scum would try and take it over or something along those lines.

Agreed. I would caution any BH player to NOT dock on any Junker Base. However, I can see certain RP situations where "on good terms" Bounty Hunters can dock on a Junker base and stay in their ships or not go far onbase. But seeing as FL is based around space combat, it's very hard to RP that kind of thing ingame.

Valid point here ... Junkers are friends with all sorts of unlawfuls. If you go to the job board ... pretty much all the jobs are against either Xenos or Bounty Hunters. And the guys sitting in the bar are of all sorts of unlawful backgrounds.

Answer this question Hyuung ... WHY would a Junker hire ANYONE to kill his friends?

EDIT: You don't maintain your neutrality by hiring bounty hunters and mercenaries.

What about all the OTHER pirates and Criminals who have pirated or killed Junkers? I wouldn't call them
"Friends". Your argument works both ways, as there have been Junkers pirated. What do we do then? Most
Junkers aren't strong enough to take on a single pirate. So what are our options? Hire someone to take
care of them.

I think its time that Pirates AND Bounty Hunters learned to take Junkers seriously. You tell me.
Why would a CRIMINAL pirate a Junker, when we are their backbone of movement?
When they need us for their equipment, and safe houses?

Why are people trying to keep the RP static? Why can't there be Bounty Hunters that are on good terms
with Junkers? Why can't there be innocent Junkers? Why can't there be Bounty Hunters that take bounties
from a Junker, against another Criminal who has done the Junker wrong?

I'll tell you why. Because you are looking at the LETTER of the ID / faction law, rather than at the RP Spirit.
THAT is what upsets me, when people focus only on their own narrow view of how their and everyone else's
RP should be.

There are corrupt cops. There are Good cops. There are hardline cops. There are cops who hate what they
have to do, but they do it well. There are cops who can't sleep because of what they have done in the name
of duty. There are cops who have left the police work to go unlawful. There are pirates who like trading.
There are pirates who are sophisticated, and speak proper English. There are pirates who like to go "Arrrrr!
Matey". There are pirates who don't talk much. There are pirates who talk too much. There are pirates who
have family on the lawful side. There are Junkers who do nothing illegal. There are Junkers who do
everything illegal. There are Junkers who work hard at being impartial and neutral to EVERYONE - including
Xenos. There are Rogues who ship Cardimine but don't take the stuff. There are Rogues who pirate based
on a ratio of how good / expensive this traders ship is. There are Rogues who "blanket 1-2 Mil".

Why should we limit the RolePlay potential, by making MORE server rules and Bans, just so you can stop
OoRP Bounty Hunters who don't know how to RP a BH Properly? Why don't you move away from Sig 13?
You KNOW it's OoRP haven at the mo, so why go there?

It seems some players do not understand the role of being a Bounty Hunter.

This is what it boils down to. But I strongly disagree that ALL BH should suffer because of some twits in Sig 13.

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