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Why do the capital ship have to be so bad

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Why do the capital ship have to be so bad
Offline Tenshi
06-30-2025, 03:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-30-2025, 03:16 PM by Tenshi.)
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(06-30-2025, 02:04 PM)Nodoka Hanamura Wrote: Personally, I would keep movement mostly as is, but tune it somewhat to possibly appease those who want more of the older feel without completely throwing common sense out the window - and also complete rework cap mounts. No more of this ass-blaster nonsense - 6 heavies, 8 Prims and 10 secondaries across all BSes, balanced accordingly down the cap classes until you hit frigates where we leave it as is - and buff missiles to be what they really should be - standoff munitions that much like bomber torps should have been - fired at range to targets at least 2-3K away. Yes, it gives them a wide window, but as is, point defense, be it with prims or Solaris CIWS, covers around 1K.

While I have to express my endless gratitude for there being at least one individual out here who shares my point of view that capital ships really are fine as they are, and I truly greatly appreciate it, I have to disagree with this paragraph.

My example might be flawed, but hear me out:

Take any battlecruiser as an example. The Akhetaten works, and so does any other ship of the same class in the mod, the only difference being an extra main battery mount in the loadout. You have main batteries, heavy turrets, and primary turrets. I will not dwell on the argument of codename primaries being far superior to their generic-tech counterparts as this is not the point of this post or this discussion in general, so please excuse that fact.

Your primaries are basically your "point defense". The Akhetaten itself has 3 PPACs and 2 Melters. The Melters with their 0 dispersion and fast turn-rate are excellent at taking down incoming projectiles, while the PPACs are a huge threat to snubs, and act as pulses against anything that is a gunboat or bigger, while at the same time having strong anti-torp capabilities, albeit not as strong as the Melters.

Your heavies are where your frontal firepower comes from. In my case, it's 2 Harpoons which are very useful when chainfired as they overwhelm the target and the chances of them failing to flak some of them are high. Subtargetted harpoons are deadly when hitting cruiser engines. The other 2 mounts are Stonebreakers, which basically oneshot any snubcraft that is approaching you from the front, can hurt gunboat hulls, and absolutely devastate anything that has subtargettable components.

The main batteries are your main source of DPS, and I don't think there's any point in talking about them. People are very well aware of the capabilities of BC main batteries.

The point of all this explanation is to now ask the question: Why do we need "6 heavies, 8 prims, 10 secondaries" on our capital ships? You give me one extra prim on any BC in the game and I don't know what to do with it. Five is enough. The same argument applies to every other battlecruiser out there.

We don't need ships that have 22 weapons on them, when those 22 weapons are all underpowered.

What we need is fewer weapon mounts that still maintain the same firing-arc coverage but are now equipped with turrets that are much more powerful. I, too, am very disappointed to see ships like the Overlord and the Osiris without their signature 4 and 5 prims respectively, but do you know what I dislike seeing even more than that? My weapons list on the bottom right of my screen having a scroll wheel on the right side.


TLDR: We don't need more guns, we need better and fewer guns.
TLDR No2: Certain generic-tech weapons really need to be brought up to their codename counterparts.

EDIT: One short discussion with Haste later and I realize I might very likely be delusional in thinking BC prims are really <so bad> and PPACs are just <too good>, so ughhh don't take my word for it???
im sorry, im literally this server's most biased pro-ppac individual

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Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Moonwalker - 02-24-2025, 05:06 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Tenshi Kuonji - 02-24-2025, 08:46 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Spectre - 02-24-2025, 10:16 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Lythrilux - 02-24-2025, 10:35 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Kauket - 02-24-2025, 10:55 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by monmarfori - 02-24-2025, 10:58 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Chronicron - 02-24-2025, 11:09 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Petitioner - 02-25-2025, 04:57 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Tenshi Kuonji - 02-25-2025, 06:09 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Harcourt Fenton Mudd - 03-22-2025, 01:06 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Lemon - 03-22-2025, 08:18 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by LuckyOne - 03-22-2025, 09:51 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Traxit - 03-22-2025, 09:51 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by LuckyOne - 03-22-2025, 09:52 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Harcourt Fenton Mudd - 03-22-2025, 12:53 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Lord Caedus - 03-22-2025, 01:19 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Os_SK - 03-22-2025, 02:48 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Os_SK - 03-22-2025, 02:48 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Roman.Scott - 06-30-2025, 05:47 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Tenshi - 06-30-2025, 11:07 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Fish - 06-30-2025, 11:24 AM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by R.P.Curator - 06-30-2025, 12:21 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Haste - 06-30-2025, 02:22 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Nodoka Hanamura - 06-30-2025, 02:04 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Tenshi - 06-30-2025, 03:07 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Nodoka Hanamura - 06-30-2025, 04:42 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Chronicron - 06-30-2025, 05:03 PM
RE: Why do the capital ship have to be so bad - by Nodoka Hanamura - 06-30-2025, 05:13 PM

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