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Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses
Offline Karst
07-24-2025, 03:59 PM,
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(07-24-2025, 03:28 PM)Shulsky Wrote: Can we get any specific examples for this problem occurring?

As far as I can tell, generally speaking Bristol Indie mining was completely viable and OF mining simply a step up from that. Despite the advantage, there's still been difficulty at times to supply our own bases with the necessary ore for platinum and heavy water. So...where, exactly, is the "too much" part about it?

Basically the problem is just math. 33% is simply too high of an increase. I know these are not directly comparable, but imagine an OF getting a third higher sell prices, or cruise speed, or powercore recharge, or 6650 cargo capacity transports.
The economy is balanced with certain numbers in mind and they simply can't be increased by such an enormous amount.

(07-24-2025, 03:32 PM)Sally Wrote:
(07-24-2025, 03:29 PM)Karst Wrote: Well, they haven't really lost anything in the sense that perks don't cost anything material. They don't really cost a lot of effort, either, since most of them are just "this is our primary ore, we want this buffed" "yes okay".

Game mechanics sometimes make old requests obsolete. It's the same with old tech cells, a lot of the perk archive is tech cell requests that are completely irrelevant now because the whole system has been overhauled multiple times since then.

Can then officials now file a player request to get a different faction perk? For example, if Bristol wanted to get a different perk since the mining bonus now has become obsolete, can they just to put a practical example request a selling point for a Bulwark in Bristol Bay that only the Bristol Official ID can purchase? I'm bringing this as example because I know XA has something similar with that red Rebel snub as a faction perk.

Factions can of course request anything else they want as a perk. They can do that irrespective of this change.
I'll try to explain how this uh, "worked", which might take a while, so bear with me.

We were trying to catalogue existing, active faction perks, because it has been problematic that no such archive exists. It's not visible for the player, but there's also no secret staff list that documents them. Nobody knows, basically.
So, we (well, I) went through the twenty something pages of the Approved Faction Requests subforum to see which of them were perks, and which of those were actually active.
Now in the past, the widely accepted but never written rule was "an OF gets a 4x instead of a 3x on their primary ore of preference", and that generally wasn't treated as a perk. Some of them were requested in the perk format, but most of them aren't documented at all, they were simply what someone in the faction told someone with the ability to edit minectrl.cfg to boost.
Then there's additional mining bonuses, beyond a single primary ore, and these are even more of a mess. Some factions had them as documented perks. Some requested them along with their ID and no additional anything, and that was granted. Some, we have no idea where they came from.

So basically, that whole system was kind of a mess. There was no fairness or consistency about it, and no way to establish which of these was "legit" or not. Since 4.0 bonuses are undesirable anyway for the aforementioned balance reasons, the most obvious solution was to simply give all OFs a blanket bonus. This is actually beneficial for a lot of OFs, since they get higher bonuses on all the stuff they previously had the base amount on.

Anyway the bottom line is, OFs can request whatever they want, and if it's reasonable & balanced, it'll be granted. Mining bonuses even higher than the blanket +.5 probably won't be. Perks don't take up "slots" and no OF is affected by having a previous perk "wasted", it just doesn't apply anymore.

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Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Karst - 07-24-2025, 01:43 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Sally - 07-24-2025, 03:17 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Karst - 07-24-2025, 03:29 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Sally - 07-24-2025, 03:32 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Karst - 07-24-2025, 03:59 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Shulsky - 07-24-2025, 04:08 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Karst - 07-24-2025, 05:01 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Kauket - 07-24-2025, 03:21 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Sally - 07-24-2025, 03:27 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Deterrence's Conclave - 07-24-2025, 03:22 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Lythrilux - 07-24-2025, 03:22 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Shulsky - 07-24-2025, 03:28 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Kauket - 07-24-2025, 03:28 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Amba - 07-24-2025, 03:31 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Soban - 07-24-2025, 03:39 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Sally - 07-24-2025, 04:05 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by LuckyOne - 07-24-2025, 04:13 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Eternal.Journey - 07-26-2025, 12:54 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by NOVA-5 - 07-24-2025, 07:52 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Nika - 07-24-2025, 08:00 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by The_Godslayer - 07-24-2025, 09:56 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Culbrelai - 07-24-2025, 10:43 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Grumblesaur - 07-25-2025, 06:51 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Prysin - 07-25-2025, 07:26 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Grumblesaur - 07-25-2025, 07:39 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by The_Godslayer - 07-25-2025, 08:53 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Sarwar - 07-25-2025, 09:07 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Haste - 07-24-2025, 10:46 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Prysin - 07-24-2025, 11:21 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by TheKusari - 07-24-2025, 11:21 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Roman.Scott - 07-24-2025, 11:24 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Traxit - 07-24-2025, 11:37 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Haste - 07-25-2025, 12:43 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by TheSauron - 07-25-2025, 12:58 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by TheSauron - 07-25-2025, 12:19 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Amba - 07-25-2025, 01:15 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by TheKusari - 07-25-2025, 02:12 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by TheSauron - 07-25-2025, 02:28 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Lord Caedus - 07-25-2025, 04:37 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by TheSauron - 07-25-2025, 11:15 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Anguirus - 07-25-2025, 12:18 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by firesilver - 07-25-2025, 12:29 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by NOVA-5 - 07-25-2025, 12:37 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Haste - 07-25-2025, 12:42 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Lemon - 07-25-2025, 02:06 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by StellarViss - 07-25-2025, 04:39 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by NOVA-5 - 07-25-2025, 04:57 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Luke. - 07-25-2025, 07:34 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Chenzo- - 07-25-2025, 09:14 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Sally - 07-25-2025, 09:23 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by The_Godslayer - 07-25-2025, 09:23 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Sally - 07-25-2025, 09:27 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by The_Godslayer - 07-25-2025, 09:33 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Amba - 07-25-2025, 10:12 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Xenon - 07-25-2025, 10:14 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Lemon - 07-27-2025, 09:26 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Mephistoles - 07-25-2025, 11:51 PM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by R.P.Curator - 07-27-2025, 07:18 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Ashyur - 07-27-2025, 08:20 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by TheKusari - 07-27-2025, 10:23 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Kauket - 07-27-2025, 11:20 AM
RE: Announcement: OF Mining Bonuses - by Lemon - 07-27-2025, 02:59 PM

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