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DarkOddity · 08-30-2006, 03:14 PM,

Badger,Aug 30 2006, 06:43 AM Wrote:It's the tracking ability of the current anti-capship weaponry that makes them so useful, my Gunboat has become my pride and joy simply due to the versatility of the light mortar weapon on-board. I honestly haven't had a problem with light mortars, I was under the impression that their blast radius is much smaller than that of Novas, possibly minimizing this multiplied damage effect you're talking about but-

I'm not sure I understand this problem right, could you go into detail about the differences current anti-capship weapons have on the original deformable and the new one-piece-hull custom models?

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I can do my best to try and explain this from what I've seen in ship files.

Each one of the *Original* Freelancer cap ships has an initial hull value.

For example an Osiris has 400k Hull.

Then Freelancer breaks the ships down in to sections, each section has its own hull points, once you deplete the hull points of that section, it breaks off and creates wreckage (<Original FL Fighters) but the original cap ships, instead of a large chunk breaking off the ship and creating wreckage, the ship explodes because it just lost a major portion of it's hull.

Each original FL ship is broken down into sections, I'll use the liberty dreadnaught for example and pull some of the coding from the file...

Code:
[Ship]

ids_name = 237032

ids_info = 66566

nickname = li_dreadnought

LODranges = 0, 600, 1000, 1500, 2000, 3000, 5000, 20000

msg_id_prefix = gcs_refer_shiparch_Libb

mission_property = can_use_large_moors

type = CAPITAL

DA_archetype = ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought.cmp

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

material_library = fx\envmapbasic.mat

envmap_material = envmapbasic

mass = 100000.000000

linear_drag = 1.000000

hold_size = 10730.179688

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 0.500000, 1

fuse = li_dreadnought_burning_fuse03, 0.000000, 17325

hit_pts = 280000

explosion_arch = explosion_rh_battleship

surface_hit_effects = 0, small_hull_hit_light01, small_hull_hit_light02, small_hull_hit_light03

surface_hit_effects = 150, small_hull_hit_medium01, small_hull_hit_medium02, small_hull_hit_medium03

surface_hit_effects = 300, small_hull_hit_heavy01, small_hull_hit_heavy02, small_hull_hit_heavy03

steering_torque = 1501900032.000000, 1501900032.000000, 1501900032.000000

angular_drag = 13200000000.000000, 13200000000.000000, 13200000000.000000

rotation_inertia = 15000000512.000000, 15000000512.000000, 15000000512.000000

nudge_force = 3000000.000000

bay_door_anim = Sc_open baydoor

bay_doors_open_snd = hanger_doors_opening

bay_doors_close_snd = hanger_doors_closing

HP_bay_surface = HpBayDoor01

HP_bay_external = HpBayDoor02

HP_tractor_source = HpTractor_Source

num_exhaust_nozzles = 1

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf01_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf02_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 300.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 180000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf03_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf04_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf05_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 600.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 180000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf06_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf07_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 180000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Leaf08_d1_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 500.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece

mass = 10.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_bottom_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 0.500000, 1

dmg_obj = li_dread_bottom_cap

dmg_hp = DpBottom

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_cntrltwr_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 0.500000, 1

dmg_obj = li_dread_tower_cap

dmg_hp = DpCntrltwr

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_rear_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 0.750000, 1

fuse = li_dreadnought_burning_fuse04, 0.000000, 17325

dmg_obj = li_dread_rearsection_cap

dmg_hp = DpRearsection

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_nose_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 2000.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece2

mass = 50.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 0.000000, 1

fuse = li_dreadnought_burning_fuse01, 0.000000, 17325

group_dmg_hp = DpFrnt

group_dmg_obj = li_dread_front_cap

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_frnt_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 0.250000, 1

fuse = li_dreadnought_burning_fuse02, 0.000000, 17325

dmg_obj = li_dread_midsection_cap

dmg_hp = DpMidsection

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_port_skid_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_port_skid_fuse, 0.000000, 1

dmg_obj = li_dread_port_skid_cap

dmg_hp = DpPortskid

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_starboard_skid_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_star_skid_fuse, 0.000000, 1

dmg_obj = li_dread_starboard_skid_cap

dmg_hp = DpStarboardskid

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_reactor_core_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 500.000000

debris_type = cap_ship_piece2

mass = 20.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_reactor_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[CollisionGroup]

obj = Li_engine_lod1

separable = true

parent_impulse = 60.000000

child_impulse = 10.000000

debris_type = debris_vanish

mass = 200.000000

fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1

dmg_obj = li_dread_engine_cap

dmg_hp = DpEngine

hit_pts = 280000

root_health_proxy = true

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_bottom_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_bottom.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 500

LODranges = 0, 20000

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_tower_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_cntrltwr.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 500

LODranges = 0, 20000

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_engine_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_engine.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 500

LODranges = 0, 20000

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_front_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_front.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 500

LODranges = 0, 20000

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_midsection_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_midsection.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 200

LODranges = 0, 20000

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_port_skid_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_port_skid.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 500

LODranges = 0, 20000

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_rearsection_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_rearsection.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 500

LODranges = 0, 20000

[Simple]

nickname = li_dread_starboard_skid_cap

DA_archetype = Ships\liberty\li_dreadnought\li_dreadnought_dmg_starboard_skid.3db

material_library = ships\liberty\li_capships.mat

mass = 10.000000

hit_pts = 500

LODranges = 0, 20000

Ok, that is code directly for the Liberty Dreadnaught in the Discovery mod.
Each one of the [CollisionGroup] sections is one of the destructable sections on the dreadnaught. Notice the bold code below:

[CollisionGroup]
obj = Leaf02_d1_lod1
separable = true
parent_impulse = 60.000000
child_impulse = 300.000000
debris_type = cap_ship_piece
mass = 10.000000
fuse = l_dreadnought_fuse, 1.000000, 1
hit_pts = 180000
root_health_proxy = true

Hit points, each part has their own set defined for them, which makes up the bulk of the capital ships hull strength, meaning on a large scale, that liberty dreadnaught can take less damage than a ship with no "puzzle" piece parts due to the fact that you *can* target and focus on just one piece of the ship, once that part is destroyed, they are destroyed.

I hope that helps your understanding.

As for why the torpedo items are being remove is, from my understanding, that with the original ships they damage a *large* amount of the pieces, that *multiplying* the damage of the torpedo. So for example.

Nova = 45k Damage (That right?)
Nova hits new non-puzzle ship, 45k damage done
Nova hits 'puzzle ship' blast radius damages 3 areas... nova does 45,000*3=135,000 which makes them much more effective against the "original" cap ships. Doing energy based weapons in their place helps to fix this problem as it would make it so you fire and you only effect one portion of the puzzle, which keeps it from multiplying the damage.

@Igiss, correct me if I'm wrong please, just saying it how I'm understanding it.

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