How to make Discovery better?

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Nooblet there is a problem with your reasoning here. Have you ever tried to organize an official event? If not I'll tell you, it's a pain in the ass. You have a couple dozen people you have organize and coordinate with and make sure everyone is there (which they never are), and then there is the hour of skype calls and pm's calling in the people that forgot or are late. Then when your event finally gets started and random indies start showing up and ruining it, it's FAR too late to do something about it.

By that point the event is already ruined, hours of work and days or even weeks of waiting ruined. Sure you can report them and they get a slap on the wrist. Big deal. It's kicking an already dead horse.

Say what you want about official factions already having enough power, that's nonsense. Right now any official faction in game is outnumbered at least 3 to 1 by indies in game at any given moment. Some will cooperate with RP, most will not. Usually the indies that do cooperate are ones that are also in official factions, like yourself, or me, or others that have been around a while and have both idies and official faction characters.

As leader of the Black Dragon Society I will use my faction as an example here. What exactly can you do as a Hogosha indie that you aren't allowed to do as a Black Dragon? Where are the benefits to being an indie? Cause I sure can't see them. The Black Dragons are a pretty laid back faction, we have very few RP restrictions on anything our players can and can't do. The restrictions we have are nothing more than the ones an indie would have due to RP. Secondly, all those indies usually provide nothing except chaos. They can't be called on easily for help when Kusari is under attack, when you do manage to call them in most of them don't listen to orders in battle which is needed for any hope of success. As indies they have no easy method of asking RP questions when they come up against a situation that they don't know how to handle so mistakes get made and they end up getting sanctions for things that could easily be avoided. All this and many more are reasons for why they should join the official faction.
Call it what you like nooblet, call me a person that has no power in real life so I need this to get my rocks off ordering people around in game. Call me insecure, call me a child... All the typical responses to official factions wanting more "power". Frankly I get tired of the old indie/faction debate. Every time this kind of issue is raised for factions, you and a select few other players go on a rampage to prevent it. Why? I don't know. Seems to me that I'm not the one with authority issues here.

I have nothing against indies in particular. I have a lot of indie characters myself. And sure there is an appeal to it, you have no boss, no one to give you orders, no one to answer to. You go where you want and do what you want and only have to answer to yourself and the admins. However, indies to lack one huge issue. A sense of community. They usually don't hang out with friends and work together to accomplish goals. There is no pride in promoting the goals and deeds of "[insert tag here]". Most indies fly around alone or with one other person and do what they will. Sure there is a place for that. But the factions need more love too.

How many "random indies" show up to a Hogosha event in the quite dead Kusari? (I am curious, I know that as a person with Order and BHG| characters, it is quite a problem in the Omicrons, but people usually stay out of the battles when people contact them in private and have a stern word.)

There is a slight flaw in your reasoning for the want of more power. If someone disrupts an event an Administrator will give them a "slap on the wrist". If someone is continuously disrupting events the Administrators will come down harsher on them. By gaining more power, if an independent shows up and "ruins" an event, what will your power do? It is still going to be delayed usage of power, right? Your event will still be "ruined" right?

Independents outnumber factions. A jerk is still a jerk regardless of what tag he wears or what ship he flies.

Cooperation by me is not guaranteed. (You earn it, "OLOLOL". In all seriousness though, you do.)

If you remember from our Skype conversations, I wanted to join [|]. In the end, I ended up not doing so. The reasons were quite simple. I was stretched too thin to contribute.

I questioned your motives for wanting power, when you can already deal with the problem with the power you have. I also stated why your power is adequate and how it is adequate. You, on the other hand come here with independents don't know this and don't know that, belittle administration punishment for offences, trivialise my question instead of answering it, accuse me of going on a rampage and having authority issues. I am obviously the evil one wanting to destroy Discovery here.

That is why people choose to be an independent. You follow the rules and answer to the Administration. That is all you should have to do to play on the server. People need not have to have pride in promoting an acronym in brackets. Ultimately, we are here to have fun. Role-playing just happens to be how we have fun.

You accuse independents of lacking a sense of community, yet, you can see some of us in this thread opposing more powers to factions. That is but one aspect of our "community". It is right before your eyes, but yet, you do not see it.

If someone does not want to join a faction, they will not. Regardless of whatever changes you make to force them. Appease their mind, do not try to force their hand.

7: And finally, Cannon's post was to ask for rewards for the effort of the factions and faction members. Unlike the Independants, who are unwilling (Thier own words, I can go get quotes) to put the effort into making Discovery a deep and diverse role playing environment, the factions and faction memebers are constantly striving to do this very thing. Extra effort deserves rewards, and for the factions and thier members to recieve a reward, they must perforce, recieve some things the Independants do not.

Suck it up Independants, you have stated you are unwilling to put forth the effort to role play and follow the rules. You cannot cry then, when the other players who will do these things get better toys. What can we do to make Discovery better? We can follow the rules and ROLE PLAY. If you can't be bothered to do that, go to one of the Non-Rp servers, stop ruining ours.

I thought about responding to how independents contribute and have contributed in the past, but I think it would be best just to move along.

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It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.