Laowai admin poll

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First, I'd like to declare that everyone is allowed their opinion. No matter what side of the issue that opinion is on. Also, it doesn't matter what gave that person an opinion. Anyone can have a negative opinion over the situation described in the earlier parts of this thread. I'd agree and did not like what happened in that incident. Anyone may speak their mind and say what gave them the inclination to have their opinion.. I don't think saying that an issue that has some people concerned about something as important as a person becoming an admin is a pointless debate and that people need to stop discussing it is a good move.

This is a discussion about a new admin coming in.. I think that ANY incident involving that player, no matter what it was about or when it happened, can be and should be discussed to its fullest. Telling people to stop talking about it is only silencing people's opinions, and I believe we do have the right on this server and these forums to speak our opinion. Unless the post in question is flaming or insulting, it has broken no forum rules and shouldn't be censored. Regardless of whether a post or posts are inflamatory and/or insulting, the discussion itself should not be called off-limits. Perhaps telling certain members of that discussion to calm down or stay out of the conversation if that person is becoming insulting would be a better response than slapping the admin hammer down no?

I don't like arguments any more than everyone else, but telling people they can't discuss this situation is, in my opinion, out of line. That 'one event' is just as important as any other event. Yes, I agree, stop the pointless bickering. State your stance well and in a neutral manner, and don't argue. But everyone has the right to state that stance.

And moving on to the other issue, don't label a faction based on the action of a player or players in that faction. That'd be like saying a faction is a rule breaking faction because one player broke a rule. Unless someone speaks as the leader of a faction and states that a certain opinion is the opinion of that faction, that faction has no opinion. Just like admins don't want personal opinions interpreted as admin opinions, or vice versa, a faction leader doesn't want his or his member's opinions taken as that of his faction's opinion.

And Hoodlum, your post is as inflamatory and insultive as everyone else's. You went right out and insulted 101st. So please don't tell others to straighten up in such a manner. And in your latest post your still labeling the opinions of certain people as those of an Outcast player. Why can't a person speak for themselves? Must they be labeled as an Outcast or Corsair? Perhaps this isn't an Outcast vs Corsair debate, but a player vs player debate about another player that is being considered for adminship. The only label of OC vs Corsair here is the label your applying to it. If you look at them as 'players' rather than 'players from this faction' you won't notice a factionized opinion, but a legitimate one of a person who DOES exist behind the name they use on these forums.


EDIT: @Blodo; Perhaps he is concerned that Laowai made that story with no input from other players. Specifically the GC and OC. What can we do when he makes a spy character, but there is no possible way for our 'characters' to learn about him? I could just as easily make an indie LN character, write a story as a spy, and then post something against the LN and defect, and there isn't a single thing the LN can do about it because I don't allow them in my story.. Thats why stories involving real PC factions, not just NPC factions, need to have the input of those factions, not just the player making the story.

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