Discussion of Order Council

[Tenacity]

The first place one witnesses the Order in SP is in NY.

On a spec op mission, in fighters, under the protection of a stealth attack, against a single infected target.

If players want to run a mission like that, they can post the RP for it in advance, and it can be decided on by the council if such a mission is within the boundaries of Order RP and if the risk to our ships is necessary.

The point here is to reduce the amount of order players taking capital ships into new york to cause trouble when there is no reason for it.

I'm not a huge fan of the route this is taking. I think this sort of attitude ('Indies do as I say') is what caused the recent sanctions, no?

That's why the council wolfpack has created includes both black squadron and independent members. We all have different views on how things should be done and who should be in charge - the council is there to vote on issues that arise. The majority vote wins.

Myself and stewcool are both there in defense of independent 'rights', this wont be a mere "you do as we say or you die" situation.

The admins first say you cannot dictate RP to indies, and now they are behind you on forbidding indies to initiate attacks on someone hostile on their infocard?

Order players, black squadron (within their orders) and independent players alike, can attack any liberty navy and LSF players they like. The only restriction here is that such attacks cannot occur in new york - if you take an order ship into alaska, the LN/LSF WILL come to fight you, there is absolutely no reason to add to the OORP and pvpwhoring taking place in new york lately.

Edit: Also, Tenacity is more pro-Bs than most Bs members, so I fail to see a well thought-out council here.

I disagree, i'm pro-ORDER. I've always worked to keep independents of equal weight in order decisions as black squadron members are, and both the indies and Bs leadership will attest to that.

However, this is letting the leader of a faction dictate to indies.

If Indies are ooRP, it's up to admins to sanction them, not up to Bs| to slam them down.

There is absolutely no reason for players to be sanctioned when the situation is fully able to be handled in-RP by the players of the affiliation (factioned or otherwise).

I think it is a serious problem on this server lately that people expect sanctions to be the solution to all of their problems, when 90% of the situations that people are getting sanctioned for could be handled by simply talking to the players and teaching them. I had just that situation today with an order player who was flying a liberty ship and had lead a raid on new york with corsair help - i talked to him in-game, helped him get his rep sorted out, and got him into a new ship; after that he had no problem following standing orders to stay out of new york.

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