Discussion of Order Council

[Tenacity]

Now don't get me started on required forum stories.

As far as I know, we have no intention of requiring forum 'stories' from order players. Right now, the only requirement is that order players post their character name, ship type, and ship name in the order roster so we can keep a list of players.

Many, many people RP quite well without ever writing anything on the forums which only a handful of people would ever read anyway, and likely come away with information that they wouldn't actually know about in-RP.

Said it before, say it again: Stories are not RP.

You're right, stories arent the only RP. I've 'tested' dozens of order recruits in-game to ensure that they at least have a small concept of RP before helping them get rep and equipment, and it's been no problem with them to this point.

I think the issue here is that non-order players see this as a takeover, when it's almost always worked this way in the background for us. These actions are only being taken to deal with the few players who cause problems for the rest of the faction (affiliation, not player faction) members with their actions.

And there's my point exactly. Say one person thinks the Order should never attack Liberty, another does not. The one (and the one with the power, the faction) is now allowed to force the other into the way they think it should be done? Even when the infocard says Liberty Navy/Security Force/Police Inc: Hostile?

If the infocard diplomacy in 4.85 changes, then we'll talk. Until then, I do not agree with this, and am disturbed that the admins supposedly approve, against their own notices.

If any order player feels an attack against liberty is necessary, for whatever reason, they post the RP for it and request a decision from the council. We vote on it, and we arent voting on our own opinions alone - Personally I will contact all of the order indies that I work with on an almost daily basis (resistance, fletcher, walker, and more) and get their opinions on the matter before I make my vote.

If we do vote that an attack is necessary, it will be planned out in-RP, and we will regulate what ships are used in the process to make things fair both for our side and for the liberty defenders. We're not going to authorize a half dozen osiris raid on manhattan... ever.

Like I said above, we're doing this to improve the view of the order as a whole, and to help our relation with other groups in the game.

Wolf,

There will have to be a separate Order Extremist group. That will solve all the problems. We can work together in some matters and some we won't. Total dominance over any faction is despotism and has no place on this server or in the world in general.

This will not happen. The order, compared to every other faction in this game, is extremely small and tight-knit. There is no room for extremists, and as wolf has said we are an entirely militarily structured organization. Privates that disobey orders from generals get court martialed, simple as that.

Now, if the private has a strong feeling on his position, we'll certainly listen to him when making our decisions, we arent going to ignore everyone's stance and just say "this is how it is" based on our own opinions - but if the majority vote is against that person's stance, we wont accept him causing trouble by ignoring that decision.

What the hell is this BS? I am sorry but i just got santioned for doing exactly what you are now deciding is order law's/rule's. I am now on Big Fatty's side here. This is a total, an utter attempt to control Indi's which the entire staff said is a no no, and i just got santioned for,along with 3 other's. Sorry to say it, but you are just taking a bad situation, and making it a complete disaster. If the admin's support this idea? they are completely reversing what they said in my sanction,and what they said about controling indies. You may as well just turn the mod into (faction controled freelancer) love it or leave it.

Ryoken, thats why two indies were put into the council. Trust me, you're one of the players ill contact when decisions arise - I treat the opinions of other established independents in high regard. It isnt like you're not going to have a say in matters here.

People are saying that the council is pretty much Bs| or BS, depending on how you look at it. (They are also suggesting that the selected independents are just puppets of Bs|.)

Now that's going too far, I'm nobody's puppet and Bs damn well knows it.

You don't seem to get it, Wolf. You say these things are ooRP, but the Order and Liberty are listed as enemies. If you want to call anything ooRP, it is the Bs going down another road.

yes, the order and liberty ARE hostile. That is not an excuse to camp in new york with a fleet of battleships, however.

If any order player ever wants to fight liberty players for some pvp fun, they can do it in alaska. there are no civilians to be harmed by crossfire in alaska, there is no danger to the populace, and there is no chance of people crying "OORP!".

That's the problem I have with people attacking new york directly - there isnt any reason for it. I've had LN/LSF characters, I've worked with both their indies and player factions in the past, and I can say without a doubt that every time they're online, if they see someone in alaska they get on the ball. Why go causing trouble in the most populated system of sirius just for some pvp lulz when the enemy comes straight to you?

Regarding raids on Liberty: I myself, as a member of several lawful factions, wouldn't mind you launching raids in fighters. You know, them Nepthys things that most of you seem to have long since forgotten? You DO have your own fighter line, you realise?

Yes, believe it or not roughly 80% of active order players currently fly fighters or bombers. The only reason the capship 'spam' seems bad is because the fighter/bomber pilots never raid new york, its only the idiots in capships who think they're invincible and can do anything they want without reprisal that act in that manner.

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