Note on The Order policies

[Nevearo]

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Do yourself a favor ryoken, quit embarassing yourself while you're still slightly respected here.

Tenacity, Over the last 2 weeks, I have come to respect ryoken's opinion over yours. I know I am a bad judge, but the reasons for it are the level of personal attacks. I personally feel you should reduce your personal attacks. The post before this one had others in it as well. (Edit: Example="Oh, and using big words is only going to dissuade") A good Forum RP doesn't justify these, and this is exactly what I was getting from Ryoken's statements. Good Forum RP doesn't always equal civil behavior, or good server RP. likewise, some people couldn't write themselves out of a paper bag, and yet are perfectly good RPing. Should personal opinions over what is more important, or how much someone is liked, determine who gets what? That seems like ryoken's point. How is making that point an embarrassment? Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of a council of 20 or so determining cap ships. I feel such a large body will likely be able to debate amongst themselves the personal merits of each application, but the popularity issue and less-known issue does exist, especially in small numbers for the ruling body.

But what is especially revealing here is that when the suggestion that player faction control over ship sales to properly affiliated members of those npc factions may be removed, the response is "what's the point of paying to become an official faction then?" This necessarily implies that the most important and valuable privilege of official factions is placing restrictions on non-members of those player factions. If that is the view of people pursuing official faction status, then I think that demonstrates the inadvisability of granting them such power. It also completely ignores the numerous official factions which do not own systems and do not wish to own systems. According to the implications of the question, they must all be nuts.

I personally feel that the real question is if factions should be required to pay 500,000,000. Several people have stated here that it is chump change to them, others have stated that it is a large body of work for little gain, since almost everything that is done by a recognized faction can be done by a unrecognized faction. It isn't so much as a request to give factions powers over players, as a request to provide a benefit that justifies the cost. Reducing the costs of things works, as does providing additional benefits. 1 Billion credits is a lot, and taking away the ability for the people who made the investment of time in deciding how it gets used would stick in anyone's craw.