Faction Control of Capital Ships... or...

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Starting with Kambei's post:

1. Because indie capwhore can harm their good name
2. Because players in oficial factiosn usualy work hard on their RP, ranks, player reputation, and want fun in their ZOI
3. Because if we have system of official factions, it is nonsense to have indie capships... why to hell ppl pay 500 000 000 and loose time with faction proposals and faction RP to gain oficial status if it is worthy less than used toalet paper?

1. If people can't tell the difference between faction players and independants, they wouldn't be too concerned about your 'good' name.
As other, more established persons than myself, have said - if a faction has a bad name such as the Bounty Hunters, the ones that do play properly stand out such as the S&D etc.

2. Why should independants, who often work harder than faction members (due to them usually having an 'inferior' rank automatically) deserve any less?
Independants also want fun in their ZoI and often have very good RP, however you rarely ever hear about the good ones, merely the bad ones. This has been seen countless times throughout Disco's history.
Faction's are in reality only a group of Independants themselves anyway, why should they have any more 'right'?

3. If you said that for 500 million you could dictate people's RP and how they play the game, instead of dressing it up as a faction proposal, then you would get countless number of people applying for it.



All in all ANYONE can make an official faction if they have the cash.
If the LN were to ban all foreign ships from entering Liberty tommorrow and 20 people with bombers, capital ships etc all disagreed with it and though it was OORP. Why should their RP be any less 'right' than the LN's?
Merely using the LN as an example here btw.

The Outcasts are a better example of things. Multiple factions in the one NPC factions means different takes on the RP of Outcasts. (Maybe not but it could be that way).

The Order debate is another example. You have different views on the Order. Some consider them to be behind the scenes goody goodies who do nothing to harm innocents, even if it could serve their mission better etc.
Others think they are roaming Nomad hunters flying around anihilating enemies of mankind and acting as the defenders of humanity, again saving innocents at any cost.
Others again think that they may do the above but would be willing to sacrifice innocents to achieve a greater good.




It boils down to this.
Why should factions, who have their own view on the 'RP' of a faction, be allowed to control other independants who may have their own view of the RP?

Why can't the Order attack Liberty? They are trying to get rid of the infestation remember and they can't leave witnesses, plus they may have no choice but to kill some innocents.
However they may not attack Liberty at all since they don't want to hurt anyone innocent and are just misunderstood.
Two different viewpoints but that is the issue.

If the 'official' faction takes the view of the second point and says the first is useless, then all the independants (OR OTHER FACTIONS) who go by the first are suddenly 'OORP', yet they think it is RP.


In regards to ranks etc in factions, they are subjective. I could create a faction and have 5 admirals and no other members at the start, which would make no sense really.
Independants earn respect, faction members earn ranks that are meant to signify respect.



If you want RP factions to solve OORP problems then you already have issues.

You do raise a good point but

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