Faction Control of Capital Ships... or...

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Im not voting because it dont really matter anyways but heres my thoughts about many of the things said here;

Rules say that factions can only police their ships when it comes to people without the proper tag/ID (doesn't say so specifically, but they do), not with indies of the proper NPC faction.

Ever since factions implemented the "Ship Registrations" any ship NOT appearing on that list is immediately assumed to be ooRP or a PvP abuser and was usually destroyed the moment a faction member saw them in space. Even when they DID have proper IFF/ID, until recently when it was made clear by Admins that this wont be happening anymore and if it does santions will fly.

Official factions have a duty to the area they roleplay in, keeping it sane, and a good environment for roleplay. If that means restricting caps so that -everyone- can roleplay properly then so be it.

I totally agree with this, the problem comes with the registration threads which make anyone NOT on the list a potential target for harassment or destruction. These registrations should be the other way around, you shouldnt be on that list unless you ARE the target BECAUSE you are oorp or a known pvp abuser.

Standing orders are to help them, not blow them up.

Good, this is how it should be server wide.

It will lower the amount of people who PvP (Hopefully)

How? Anyone can abuse PvP in any ship.

He then goes around PvPing everything he can find. Now of course we could sanction him, but that's extreme so let's suppose we don't. What do we do to stop a battleship from ruining everyone's fun?

Oh, wait! We have bombers. All we have to do is get four or five together and Mr. n00b will be enjoying a luxurious view of space from his escape pod.

This is called bullying, leave the punishment to Admins if and when the person does something totally wrong. Besides that, why would you want to give the PVP abuser exactly what they want, which is to fight other players, even if they get destroyed every time?

The main issue most cap restrictions answer if you ask me... Is Conduct, Not RP

Exactly, posting on the forums does NOT automatically mean a person is capable of handling themselves properly, even if they cant RP or write thier way out of a paper bag.

Of course I also believe if official factions are going to restrict and police capships, they themselves need to set a good example and actually RP their capships for once. Usually the only time I see faction capships are to fight, I never see them online just to RP.

AGREED! Ive said it before and ill say it again. If factions expect me to write a 2 page story about my capship, then i expect the same for EVERY SINGLE ONE THEY HAVE! Otherwise, its simply hipocritical, and not setting a very good example to anyone. My guess is they think that just because they are "official" that they dont need to have the page long info about each of thier ships.

Restrictions aren't about limiting peoples RP, its about limiting the potential havoc that can be wrought.

Accually, i've seen factions wreak more havoc against indies than indies could ever hope to achieve against factions. Mainly because factions CAN call in the bomber wing, do indies have a bomber wing to police the factions who dont have RP written up for thier ships? NO, how could they, they are called indies for a reason.

The primary reason I'm for restriction of capships is simple - some ships should not be common sights around sirius.

The order is a small organization compared to the other militaries in sirius. While the LN, or RM, or KNF, or BAF may have the resources and crew to man a few dozen battleships or carriers (even the corsairs/outcasts have enough people and resources for this, they're almost houses in and of themselves), the order does not. We do not have the resources to pump out an osiris a day from evora, and we most certainly do not have enough people to crew that many ships.

But most ARE a common sight, (npc patrols) especially the Osiris. Did you forget that the Order is allied to Corsairs and that the Osiris is also produced on a Corsair Shipyard, which by your own admission IS capable of producing large numbers of them all by its lonesome?

If there is no restriction put on these ships, we'll end up with the same situation we have with osirises now - too many in operation.

What gives anyone but the Admins the right to decide the exact number that is "too many in operation"?

"I hope you started writing your RP for this thing three months ago, because thats the effort I expect for you to deserve this ship."

Some people are simply incapable of writing the way or as much as you seem to expect them to. Does that mean that they dont deserve to fly the ship? According to you, no they dont, they should be able to write a book with thier eyes closed just to fly a ship and shoot some npcs.

I dont see any reason why people who dont want to put the effort in for the carrier or osiris cant live with a destroyer or gunboat instead.

Because they shouldnt have to "live" with a ship they dont care about just because you think they dont deserve it.

My three criterias to let an indie fly a capital ship are simple:
-He must respect others
-He must know the basics of RP
-He must play fairly

PS: by knowing RP, I don't mean that I need a three pages of RP for the ship... Just that the guy will play like his character should, in game... I don't really bother about the stories written on the forums.

Myself, if I was to get a cap as an indie, I would only write a biography and a small description. . . nothing big really. Because what matters is the way the player act ingame

Logical and within reason. The forums are secondary to the game and what happens in it on the server.

Factions dont control the use of capital ships.. no... the main reason i think official factions prefer that indies register is so that they can keep track of them so that they dont get out of hand.

Maybe this is how it was intended, but those Registration Threads were quickly turned into Hit Lists if you arent on it and fly a capship.

Problem is that with recent announcements by the admins, even if they do "get out of hand" there isnt a damn thing anyone can do about it.

As well factions shouldnt be able to do anything about it, if the player is breaking the rules, report them, simple, easy, clean, drama-rama free.

I am getting a little Fed up with blowing up in my train without warning from players who have a:

IMG Battlecruiser, IC IFF and Zoner tag.
Corsair gunboats, assorted IFF's and Tags including Civilain (ALL over the map)
Rhineland gunboats, assorted IFF's and Tags including Civilain (ALL over the map)
Etc . . .

Understandable, but it has little to do with restrictions and ALOT to do with server rules. They should have been reported and thats where yours or a factions involvement ends.

Which is also 98% of why I don't think that the community is mature enough to settle such matters internally nor do I feel that the admin team should be burdened with such concerns. Just do the best you can to raise the local bar of excellence, as Joe mentioned earlier.

If you want RP factions to solve OORP problems then you already have issues.

Exactly, on both quotes.


/end of my thoughts on the things mentioned here