' Wrote:Remora I don't know what your problem is but in all my time in the Order I worked to bring Bs| and order indies together. That's 2 years, compared to your what? 2 months? I don't think any one will say I didn't do that and the close ties between Bs| and indies are thanks to me so I really think you should reconsider what you said. I have always wanted the input of indies and I always took their considerations and I guarantee you that they will agree with me.
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"Swissscorch, Do you have no respect for the Independant Order at all?"
Is a personal insult to me and my time here at disco.
Just think you should know that. And maybe you should think next time before you talk.
I apologize Swissscorch, it was badly done. You are correct. There is no excuse for me saying that.
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Did you not see where I pointed out that two of the seats in our proposal there would be voted in?
My problem, is as always, that people are putting themselves in seats that they really shouldn't have. It is one thing to give the Bs| representation, being an established group, quite another to start "inventing" positions to give people, and take one yourself. This is NOT the way to do things. If the unofficial groups need representation, let the BS| and elected officials make the determination.
ELECTED OFFICIALS, not the independents who have declared themselves the council.
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I've been an order player for 8 months on this server now. For the first four of them, I was the ONLY order player that could be found online almost 24/7, I was the ONLY order player who actually did anything to defend our territory, and currently I have more posted AND in-game RP than any other member of the order (Note: with the exception of swissscorch), black squadron or independent.
This does not give you the right to dictate to others how their RP should be. Nor does it give you carte blanche to consider youself "THE" representative of the order. I will freely admit that my opinion is noobish, and not very developed. I still feel my RP is greater than yours, regardless of how much "posting" you have done. I believe this based on your actions in "Roleplay." Just as people can call themselves admirals, so too do you have the ability to create a bad story. I COULD tear it up using both your actions and storyline, but I'd prefer if you look into your own story to date and then you'll see where my anger at your RP comes. Just the same, despite my opinion of it being just a mountain of uncoordinated crap, I will stop attacking your RP, since apparently some people feel it is good. As for my RP, I will not post it on the forums. There is no point in doing such an action. If you want to find out about my RP, explore it in game.
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No amount of anger directed to me can change the fact that what I am saying isn't just smoke. Independents have a right to determine themselves. I don't care who they are, as long as it is done done right and fairly. I don't believe in giving unofficial a position on the group willy-nilly. This would be true even if I was in an unofficial. Unofficials should prove themselves as the Bs| did before being granted a position. As such, making a system to bring them in should wait until the council is established, and be done by the council.
Regardless, my position is still the same.
No Dictator. No forced leadership. No false representation.
' Wrote:Remora, quit the incessant badgering. Tenacity, cool off.
You're being uselessly difficult, Remora. You've barely been here, and you seem to think your view is king. The council, I must say, looks like it's going very well. If you don't have any shred of respect for Tenacity, good for you. There will be a whole lot of seats here, Tenacity is only one of them, and quite frankly, he's one best suited to the position.
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I have no problem with Tenacity being ELECTED to the position. I will happily follow him in that aspect. My problem is in him coopting the position. Acting as if it is his by divine right because someone else would have put him in it. I wouldn't vote for him myself, but I would still follow him IF HE WERE ELECTED
That is my issue. I'm not trying to be uselessly difficult, I am just trying to ensure the council is something I can stomach to follow. Without the ability for those who are subjected to it to have the ability to pick who rules them, I can't follow it. Tenacity seems to be in conflict with this single principle every time I turn around, hence why I am butting heads with him. It was Wolfpack before him. It is confrontational, but only in what I see as what really matters.
