Official Factions

[Dab]

Okay so you can't make folks dance to your whims, you can stop them behaving like idiots though. Look at the LN's capship policy, no need to sign on any line, just if you do you get incentives and treated like the official faction. And given the rules are very simple, and based around the concept of fairplay and adherence to the server rules, enforcing it is allowed.

I've seen plenty of stupid and idiotic behavior that we can now no longer stop from happening.. Outcasts shooting BAF wouldn't be against rules, but it would be stupid and idiotic. Yet we can't go and destroy that ship for the violation of the OC's deals with the BAF. Pray tell how the official factions can stop people from behaving like idiots in ways that the unofficial factions cannot.

And I've just finished searching for the Liberty Navy's capship policy.. I couldn't find it anywhere. The only thing I COULD find was a list of allowed independent capships and the statement that unless your on that list, your ship is to be decommissioned. I don't mind at all the Liberty Navy doing this since the cap spam was insane.. But I don't see how their restriction is in any way special, and therefor allowed by this new rule made specifically against official factions regulating indie capships in any way.

And you have said that which I had said in my last post.. Based on the concept of fairplay and adherence to the server rules.. If they are violating server rules it is an issue to send to the admins via a rule violation report, not as a cause to blow them up. In this, neither official or unofficial factions are any different. Both can take the same actions, whether that be reporting them for breaking the rules, or by killing them for betraying their faction.

Dab if you do not own the system then any system made MUST be in accordance with the Mod. A system owning faction gets to mold their system to their RP. Any other system is molded to the overall RP.

Del, I make systems. I know that a system must be in accordance with the mod.. That is universal. Faction-owned or not, it must still adhere to the mod. I can't put something in a guard system that contradicts something elsewhere in the mod. For example, whether they wanted it or not, I could NOT put Corsair guns on an IMG base, or vice-versa. That would go against the mod. IMG and Corsairs have a tender agreement to attack the Outcasts and leave each other be.. Not a full blown alliance and weapons deal, therefor, officially owned or me making it for the hell of it, I cannot put their weapons on each other's bases. So please tell me what I can do if a faction owns it that I cannot do if I'm making it on my own decision.

Official factions get to set policy that can and has shaped the way Disco works and plays. The entirety of the RM's RP is not as vanilla but it is pretty much set in stone as discovery canon, and they couldn't have done that without being official.

The only policies the factions could have made have been taken from them. That is the entire point of this post. They no longer HAVE any policies to set because rules restrict them from it. Right now the RM could no longer regulate their indies, like they used to, nor can they regulate the Rheinland capships like they have until now. I think it is quite unfair to talk about only the Outcast's capship restrictions, which for the past few months have only been to deny access to the Dreadnaught to anyone without the Council's permission, and then ignore the RM, Corsair, and everyone else's restrictions.

And your example of the RM does nothing here.. Everything they have done could have been done by a well-RPing, persuasive, and well-versed independent. Again, tell me here what RM has done that an indie could not by the current set of rules.

Official factions should set an example of how a faction plays, not be determined to dictate how the NPC faction should be run.

We try to set an example, but what do we do when people don't pay attention to that example and then go do some completely against Discovery canon, but within rules? We can take absolutely no action anymore. And what small actions we CAN take, the independents can as well.

The XA bought and designed Tau-45 not for themselves but for the Xenos as a whole, one of our overriding desires was to have Xeno use ships placed within for all Xenos to be able to buy, not just the XA.

Forgive me if I seem thick-headed, but how does this show how an official faction is in any way better than an unofficial faction? Some random player could have gone and paid for everything XA bought.

The same ethos was used when designing Cassini, I don't want to keep Indy LR out of Cassini, it's their guard system too. Just because I currently own it, doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to use it.

See above.

Yes Official Factions are generally favoured over unofficial ones. Why? Because they set the tone of the RP on Discovery. Factions create guidelines that folks tend to follow. Official factions can set laws within their ZOI. And then they can enforce them. They can also grant the right for others to enforce them. Official factions are valid, and frankly I've not heard much complaint about this from many faction leaders other than the 101st. So if anyone really does have a complaint, feel free to PM me. I'm listening.

I don't see official factions favored in the least bit. That is my whole point here. I don't see any favoritism at all. We aren't allowed to set the tone of RP on Discovery, because we'd end up breaking a rule. Factions create guidelines they cannot enforce, because of rules against the official factions. Factions can set laws within their ZoI that they cannot enforce, because of rules against them. They can also grant the right for others to enforce them, but then they also cannot do so, because of rules against it.

And I'm not here speaking for a faction leader. I'm here speaking for myself, because I have the same issues as many others. What difference does it make if I'm a faction leader or not one? Or are we making up for these lacks by only listening to what the faction leaders say? If so, I'm quite glad, considering how much they have been neglected and ignored.

I've sat here and received countless things an official faction can do.. But I have not received anything an official faction can do that an unnofficial faction cannot do just as well if not better. You have not answered my questions in the least, nor have I heard anything coming close to it other than about system ownership, which I believe I have answered sufficiently.

I'm not afraid to publicize my views and opinions, and I do them here. Criticize them and me all you want, but I'm not going to back down unless someone offers me a real answer that convinces me, or something is done.

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