Look, folks, you're arguing semantics and basic human psychology here. The one simple truth is, people will be where people are. The only thing that can separate a mass, group of people or whatnot, is a very charismatic person that can lead them away or an event that would result in that mass dividing or dissolving itself. The fact remains, you can't and won't change Liberty. There are some jewels around other places, RM, RHA, Keepers, ROS, and other factions that are active in their respective space, and that's all fine and dandy, but they are there because they've been lead there by an idea, or a very powerful leader of their faction who truly does have their loyalty and respect. And Liberty, you can call it a cesspit or whatever you want, but you cannot change it. If we say, closed Liberty down, this would just move to Rheinland, or Bretonia, or Kusari. People will in 95% cases follow another group of people. So instead of trying to change this, why not just accept the fact that this is how we were designed by mother nature or god or whoever the hell you believe in. This will not change, this rant will not help anyone except get people to argue with each other. Enjoy the game, enjoy your life, and look a bit in yourself and try to figure out what I said here, and you might realize that it is in fact..the truth.