Bomber Balance

[mjolnir]

As to "light" bombers, they can be balanced as some of the types clearly show.
Examples being:
Falcata
BHG Bomber

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If we are to go to more radical measures there are basically two ways that I can imagine to avoid bombers being "too good" vs fighters.

a)make bombers bigger/slower - Barghest, Rheinland superbomber way - needs remodeling of some ships

and/or

b) change or remove the "fighter weapons" on the bombers -
b1.if change then:
light bombers can for example have 2lvl8s and 2 lvl9s, it is nice that they can SN fighters, but when they don't have effective means to down the fighter shield it's quite hard to do that

b2.ff "remove" then they can get specific "bomber guns" with ~500m/s speed and codename damage

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All this being said, I really do think it's very early to start extensive discussion about bomber balancing after half a day of the public beta

... and after first fight where Dab dies to his own stupid mistake (eating mini with damaged hull)

Remember that:
- there will be at least 3 weeks until the final release
- at some point the auto-updater will be used so changed could be done at any time


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To address Dab's specific points

[Alright, we just got done dealing with a extremely-long version (4.84) in which we had a big problem concerning two bombers; Kusari Catamaran and Red Catamaran. Both were 48K energy core bombers with the agility of a VHF. In some cases, agility higher than that of a VHF. Now both of these bombers were given new models which make them larger from the side, but the same size from above/below/front/back.

Size comparison of new as well as old ships is here:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff111...m/kus2.jpg

Note that the Catamaran shown there is 10% larger than 4.84 catamaran.

Even compared with that one the new one is more than 2 times larger from front and side. On top of that it lost the forward turret. Turns slower now (slower than GC bomber) and responds much worse.

Furthermore, they were changed to 58K energy to make up for that larger model.

This is simply incorrect and shows how much you are informed about the matter.

The turning rates on these ships have not been changed. They are the most agile bombers, up to the point of VHF turning, as they were before.

Incorrect again as stated, above. Use either Flstat (gives only upwards turning) or Datastorm (gives all the numbers used by FL engine). To compare them.
Civilian bomber and GC bomber both turn faster than the new kusari bombers.

Or should these two bombers be made more in-line with other bombers of this mod?

"These two" are perfectly in line with other bombers.


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Dab as far as I have heard you the fight do to your very own mistake of eating a mini while having damaged hull. The Kusari bomber in question had 0 bots at that point.

For the numbers again:

GC VHF has 1.25 rad/second upwards turning

Kusari bomber has 1.0625

=> 0.1875 difference

We just had a fight with 2 Chimaeras vs GC bomber, GC VHF and a transport. The GC bomber had no chance at any point and left when it was about to die.

Chimaera turning 1.17

GC Bomber 1.075

=> 0.095 difference

Your really sure it's the ship that is the problem?

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