The Order - Future Direction

[Tenacity]

I vote for making Order| a faction with exclusive invite only. I don't care if you have 500 members in the end, make sure every one of those wants to roleplay.

Make capital ships a rarity, force Core BHG to fight you with fighters.
Ignore order indies completely, and form the cells within that main Order.

Put Order characters in every House, make them visible where there are threats of the Nomads. Perhaps an mothership of some sort in every house, make it a corvo cruiser and award those that roleplay within their cell.

Make sure that you limit the cap use to high ranked members, make sure one (stable) person decides who can get them, or get promotion merit based.
Make promotions a valid part of Order Faction, but make sure that the leaders are always outnumbered by alot from "grunts".
Sorry if I sound random, but the fact is that alot of people are in Order because they're in gray area to what order does, but at long as it pvp-s its cool.
Shame to waste a faction like that.

The first "idea" to come up was to make the order an exclusive faction, but for more than a few reasons that simply wont work. That's why the idea has been tossed aside and replaced with the solutions that I posted.

The order worked just fine with 'indies' in 4.84 - what pulled the faction down into the cesspool it's currently in was the addition of more capships, and the addition of the BHG war which gives order players an always-available opponent to pvp against.

No matter what we do, the order will not become an invite only faction, people will have to accept that indies do exist, and that not all of them are bad. Back during 4.84, I swore by the order's independent players, claiming that we had more responsible players and better roleplayers amongst our independents than any other faction in sirius. That's what I want to bring back - I dont want to get rid of indies completely (I am one, and there are still dozens of 'good' indy players with us), but I want to get rid of the bad ones while retaining those who actually have proved themselves, or gaining new independents who want to roleplay rather than fight all of the time.

A lengthy post.....

Each point is worth commenting on its own, however, the first part that sticks out in my mind is in the allegiances part:

Specifically in regards to the Hessians and Dragons - Both of these are allies of the Outcasts, which means you will potentially be in situations that would pit you against the Corsairs, your former allies. Now given the discovery RP angle where the Outcasts, major suppliers and allies to the factions you mentioned tend to venerate the Nomads - the very species you are sworn to fight against....

You see where im going with this?

Why would the Order put themselves into that camp in such an obvious way? Who are the Hessians in particular going to side with.... The Order (for what benifit?) or the Outcasts (with obvious benefits in their war with the Corsairs).

The goal is to remove ourselves from the hispania war completely.

The alliance was with the bundschuh, not the hessians. Through the bundschuh, we can draw on hessian support when we're fighting the wilde, but we will never assist them against the corsairs.

The blood dragons broke off their alliance with the outcasts in 4.85, they are no longer allied and no longer have any ties except through the golden chrysanthemums' need for cardamine, which concerns the blood dragons in no way.

These two allies (bundschuh and dragons) have no connections to either side of the hispania war, and thus we would not find ourselves constantly caught up in battles between the corsairs and outcasts, nor their allies.

The -only- thing that the order cares about (or at least, 'should' care about) is the nomad and wilde threat. Most seasoned order players consider the interfactional disputes among 'human' factions to be petty and pointless in the overall scheme of things, which is half the reason we want out of the corsair alliance. Too many of our less... focused... independent players have been taking their gebs into alpha and blowing up outcasts with no regard for past diplomacy. There was a time in 4.84 when we even worked with the outcasts on occasion when it was warranted or needed.

The only thing the corsair alliance is doing for us, right now, is limiting our options in potential allies.

The order's current allies list is:
Zoners, Hogosha, Corsairs

The new allies list would be:
Zoners, Blood Dragons, Bundschuh

In the end, we're trying to gain allies who are more politically motivated, rather than allies who are, more or less, pure criminals.

Section 4: Capship control

Yes. Please. If it means taking away Corsair Osirises, please, do it. As an Outcast, nothing annoys me more to see our worst enemies using tech belonging to a neutral group. Furthermore, it doesn't make sense that the Order would allow their super-high tech battleship to be used by warring criminals. It's like giving mobsters AT-ATs.

There was a suggestion some time ago to create a 'corsair osiris', with a different ship name, and slightly altered stats, for corsair use. The corsairs have the plans and capability to construct the osiris, and the order high command has no issue with their continuing use of that ship - it's the resheph, hathor, and geb that are causing problems.

And the license idea...
Could be abused I think.
People would 'sell' their license.

Exactly why I mentioned that a forum-posted list would be kept showing every shipname/playername that is permitted a license. Anyone who doesnt match that list gets their ship and license removed.

then, attacking Outcasts? why? with the Order gone, what stops the core from scooping up all the tech and researching where and whatever they want? apart from hordes of angry sushi-ike aliens, of course. bit unrealistic that the Order goes 'meh' now and leaves the Core alone while they run amok with nasty rayguns. but oh well.

Where do you propose that the BHG are obtaining these nasty rayguns from, then? Currently, the only nomad weapons in use by the bhg are on a special RP request basis. With the order and bhg's fleets destroyed or weakened (in rp, i'm not asking the bhg ships to be removed from the mod), the bhg would have very little power in the edge worlds.

There are, of course, things that i cant explain here due to the NDA for 4.86's development. Unfortunately, that means that anyone who is not in on what's happening with .86 probably has no clue what's going on =/ Wait and see is the best I can say.






Finally, @ Agmen of Eladesor - I'll speak with you in PM's, once again there are things that have already been planned and are awaiting addition to the mod which I cannot describe due to the NDA from Igiss.

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