Battle Razors..

[Dab]

NOTE: Had to split into two different posts because the amount of quotes. Mods, don't merge, or it'll break the quotes.

putting the fact that i havent bothered reading the rest of the thread, do you mean to say that 3 bombers went up against a kusari destroyer, and not a single one had a CD, and to top that off, they got raped by dual battle razors?

If you haven't bothered reading the thread, don't post, because you have no idea what you're talking about. As this entire post of yours shows quite well.
All three of us had a CD. Problem is, CDs don't fix everything. Crusiers/Dests don't have to EK to hit something. Wonderful thing called reverse thrust and turret view make it possible to turn, shoot, yet still dodge SNs with thruster and normal view when they see it fired.

dab, i aint played the game in a while, but even -I- aint stupid enough to joust a destroyer thats the size of a gunboat, and one that can dish out ****LOADs of damage if used correctly, neither am i stupid enough not to use CDs against such a ship. if you want, i can offer you lessons on how to fly bombers again:lol:

Again; You obviously didn't read the thread. Not once did we joust the destroyer. None of us jousted it, for we have plenty of experience fighting capships. Also, as stated above, we did use CDs. It wasn't able to EK, but that doesn't fix everything. You need to drop your arrogance at the door and consider the possibility that this wasn't the result of people not knowing how to fly bombers. For someone who seems to readily point out my ego as a flaw and make fun of it, you sure seem to have quite a big one yourself, topped off with an arrogance that makes you think no one can possibly be as good, as smart, or know as much as you. Not a good mentality when trying to balance something.

now, to address the last few posts: nova torps arent as bad as they were in 4.84. sure, chances of killing your own guys is still high, but its MUCH lower than what it was in 4.84. why? cuz CDs wont deflect/blow them up, and the targeted ship has to select, aim, and fire a salvo at the incoming torp instead, or use flaks. nova torps are -excellent- in raping caps, however they are useless against fighters and bomber (obviously).

CDs do deflect/blow them up. I killed three Corsair Praetorians in a single fight just by CDing them everytime they went for a Nova run on a battleship. Furthermore, Novas can't track for ****.. They still have to be fired just as close as a Supernova except against battleships. Any cruiser can outfly a Nova torpedo. And then they are also completely useless against shields.

making a snac faster is like inviting rape to a cup of tea at your house. actually, its worse. its like inviting a hillbilly over to your parent's house to introduce him to the family as your fiancee. dont get me wrong, ill love it since ill be able to score more kills with the snac on fighters and bombers, but i have a teensy weensy feeling alot of the people wont like that:lol:

I agree with you here, SNACs do -not- need a speed increase. Battle razors, however, do need a speed decrease so they can't hit bombers/fighters.

I do believe there were CDs involved, and jousting was not involved. No one is advocating an increase in the speed of SNs, merely a reduction in the speed of BRs.

As for Novas on bombers...yno. I had a SN/Nova bomber after people started with "yay, Novas don't suck any more"...well, the most useful thing you can do with a Nova is...umm...make a pretty pattern? Rape the guns/wings off an NPC? They have very little use when bombarding capships, and especially so in the case of destroyers who simply use their thrusters to evade them.

Please read this quote Frozen.

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Well these seems to be an awful lot of assumptions going on. The top among them is that people think we jousted a Kusari destroyer.. We didn't, and why anyone would ever think we did, I haven't a clue. Especially since Derkylos already said back twenty-thirty posts that we DID NOT joust the cruiser.. He was a spectator in that fight, he didn't die, he didn't have to fight.. If this was just people rambling about losing a fight, why would he agree with me? Or Blodo? Or Blunt? I will say this once; This has nothing to do with the fact that we lost the fight. If I were to try to get a ship nerfed everytime I lost a fight, you'd see a heck of a lot more threads than the THREE I've made. One about the Red/Ku Bombers, one about cruiser and GB missiles (none of which I died to, I made that thread based on testing and checking out stats), and then this one. This is no more than many people have made since the start of the beta testing.

I'm disadvantaged by the fact that in terms of combat balance, I cannot speak of something or even know it exists until it shows up in front of me. I'd never have known Battle Razors were so good against bombers/fighters if I'd never have to face a destroyer/cruiser that was using them in such a manner. If I were to be flying an exceptionally good ship and found I could utterly rape my opponent with no effort, I'd make a thread about either the overpowering of the ship I was flying, or the underpowered ship of my opponent (depending which it might be), and the changes needed to balance the two. I make threads based on issues I find in-game during the public beta testing. This was the intended purpose of the public beta testing, yet many of you seem to think that balance issues shouldn't be brought up because the dev team didn't see them. Well the fact is that the dev team can't catch everything, or they may have different opinions than others. I'm on the dev team and I can say, there are a very wide range of opinions there. Its the community's job to find things the dev team missed. Now I could've just said 'this is a problem, fix it' like so many others have so far, but I provided a solution as well that would fix the problem, but still give the cruiser BR's ability to hit GBs/GSs without much a change. (If you can't hit a GB/GS in a cruiser with a BR from under 800m when it travels at 400m/s, thats not the BR's fault.. Especially considering the size of the BR is 75m across.)

Look here Dab... How tha hell did ku desy even turn around and joust your friend bomber is beyond me... Kusari Desy is a prime target for Nova torpedos, just hit it say 4 times and it's out of weapons... shields can be dealt via guns or SN... keep it CD'd at all times.

It didn't have to turn, turret view can easily allow it to hit with a BR. At the same time, the Dest can turn extremely quickly, while the bombers have to circle it to get behind it. So, though it turns slower, the bomber has to cover much more ground while dodging fire to get behind it.

Also, we did keep it CDd at all times. That isn't a fix-all tactic to killing a destroyer. They aren't dependent on Engine kill to win. Lastly; Any destroyer pilot with a brain can dodge a Nova torpedo, and even more have the intelligence to select the nova torp and shoot it before it hits the destroyer.

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