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PETITION: Nerf NPCs
Offline mjolnir
04-07-2009, 01:47 AM,
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' Wrote:My suggestion is this:

[*]Either reduce/eliminate enemy NPCs attacking bases (at the very least there should never be caps/bombers attacking those, you should be able to be safe somewhere for crying out loud), or put serious friendly patrols there. I believe that most Corsair and Outcast players will agree with me that the number of BHG attacking Malta/Crete is bordering ridiculous.

a) I can sit both in front of Crete or Malta, tabbed, with plenty of time to come back in if there happens to come so many BHG NPCs that they won't get blasted by the defenses within 20 seconds as they normally do.

b) BHG NPCs were there ever since vanilla... getting blasted.


Quote:[*]Random NPCs should have less CDs.

Random is a very wide definition.

Quote: (look in FLStat, NPC VHFs make LFs look like bricks)
This actually depends a lot, for example those BHG hammerheads turn exactly as fast as player ships, Legionaries turn even slower :shok:

Quote: they move randomly
That's lag, either yours or servers, server turns NPCs off if it starts to lag too much.

Quote:(not to mention how they seem to have way too much health- Freelancer NPCs with LFs in 4.84 were surviving Supernovas and Mortars, and I don't think they got nerfed nearly as much as they should have been).
You think, they armor actually got reduced more than 6 times.

Quote: So, killing them isn't an option, that takes about 5 minutes for 5 Starfliers, during which time you can be reasonably certain that more NPCs will have shown up.

Killing whom isn't an option now? It takes about 3 passes to kill 5 starfliers.

Quote: So, what about running? THAT doesn't work either because each of them has 5 CDs, which are virtually immune to CMs
Most NPCs which have CDs do have wasp cruise disruptor.

If you don't know it yet there is a tactic how to evade just about any NPCs without killing them or using CMs.

Quote:[*]Make them stop "pirating" the stuff I just bought from their base...
Problem is that the same no matter what id/side you'r on. Yes it could be somehow linked to ID. For know as you for sure know they scan you less if you have better reputation with them, with full green they almost never scan you.

Quote:[*]The Pennsylvania thing is just insane. For people starting their first character and building their way out it's all well and good, but when you're trying to fly your starflier out to New Berlin to make your new RM, getting almost to the TL out of the Badlands and dying in the 2 seconds you can't dodge (god help you if you ran out of thrusters before that) is rather humiliating after the fourth time. "Spend an hour farming the money you need to fight your way out of there" is frankly not good enough, nor is the need to get a /givecash so your RM can buy a Defender to get past the Level 3 Liberty Rogue NPCs! It's really easy to fix, just put an exclusion zone on the NPC spawns in that one little area... I know how to do it myself, if manpower is the problem.

There are 4 navy weapon platforms at the JG to Pennsylvania which blast the Lvl 3 Rogue NPCs just fine. If you get disrupted in the TL further on.. you also get intercepted by lvl 3 rogue NPCs. Now if your RM can't survive those in a starflea how does he intend to fly past lvl 8-10++NPC in Bering and Hamburg?

When you'r setting a new character it usually costs you at least around 17 million (armor + ship). If you really can't get past lvl 3 NPC in your Starflea then yes use 26k to buy a defender.. or any of the other choices there. If you spend the whole 174k to buy a Hawk there, you can fly pretty much anywhere.

I do remember that for setting up Corsair characters it was normal to fly in a Starflea from NY trough Alaska to Gamma... with Nomad BS patrols spawning anywhere. Yet just about everyone in the offical corsair factions did it.
So no I do not see the "INSANE" thing here.


Quote: YES, THERE IS A PROBLEM, I understand that you're not the one making the problem, Mjolnir, but you are denying the existence of such a problem. No matter how good it looks on paper or how perfectly the numbers "should" work out, the fact that so many people are getting worked up about it means that there is a problem.
Somehow there are now other 50 people who don't see your problem. The "NPC thread" show above all one thing. It's always the "screamers" that get heard the most. Followin the previous threads one would thing that the vote results here would be some 90vs10 in favor of nerf... yet they aren't.

Anyway yes there are for sure some local problems. Which is why "Should NPCs be nerfed?" doesn't help anything. Listing things does yes. But you just as a few other people start to generalize and throw around half-true "facts" that you didn't even check to say "this is so broken, fix everything up, latest by yesterday".



Too many quotes mess things up... so have to split in 2

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PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by pieguy259 - 04-06-2009, 09:44 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Captain - 04-06-2009, 09:49 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Derkylos - 04-06-2009, 09:52 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by slashhammer - 04-06-2009, 09:54 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by globalplayer-svk - 04-06-2009, 09:56 AM
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PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by globalplayer-svk - 04-06-2009, 10:09 AM
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PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by pieguy259 - 04-06-2009, 10:17 AM
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PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Exile - 04-06-2009, 10:32 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Blackvertigo1 - 04-06-2009, 10:35 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by sean24 - 04-06-2009, 10:36 AM
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PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by mjolnir - 04-06-2009, 10:54 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Eppy - 04-06-2009, 11:02 AM
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