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In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy
Offline Dab
05-01-2009, 12:42 AM,
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Kusari may be stronger, but GMG does control their source of fuel. Without fuel, a battleship isn't much more than a lump of metal. And if Kusari tries to take over the gas miners, I do not doubt GMG has ways of blowing up their miners so Kusari can't get a hold of them.

And what you're not taking into account is the fact that Kusari is at war. Its not an easy war either. Imagine the U.S. and Russia getting into war right now. Will the U.S. have the available resources to defend their country, invade Russia, control the Pacific Ocean, AND invade France at the same time, all whilst their oil reserves are being cut off and their fuel running out?

Kusari is fighting in Leeds, in the Taus, and at home. Fighting BAF, Mollies, Outcasts, Blood Dragons, Golden Chrysanthemums, and Lane Hackers. One of those, the BAF, is a military power to rival their own. Another, the Outcasts, is nearly as strong as a house military if it devotes a large portion of its assets. Mollies are hindering their efforts to flank the BAF in Leeds. Blood Dragons and GC have, are, and will continue to attack anywhere and everywhere they can inside Kusari. As it is, Kusari is very very vulnerable and not in a very advantageous spot. Many people on skype have said that in the current position, they'd expect KNF to get pushed back out of Leeds because they're forces are so divided, they aren't that strong in any one place.

So take that current situation and inject the loss of fuel (Samura's Hokkaido project is still under development and not producing anything) and a new enemy in the GMG. GMG is pretty powerful. They aren't just there protecting their mining assets.. They're a war-experienced (80 Years War) megacorporation that is in a constant fight with both Corsairs and Outcasts. They're pilots are as good as the KNF's, and they're producing their own ships.

And if KNF really did try to invade Okinawa, the GMG can lock the gate to Honshu and the KNF are stuck with three ways in. One of the two jump holes from Honshu (one already heavily defended by GC/BD), or the entrance from Nagano. That requires them to go through Tohoku, which is no longer a friendly place for the KNF. Invading Okinawa would cause the KNF considerable amounts of casualties, and for what? They get to claim sovereignty over a system in which they have no operations? And the cost is a large number of ships and pilots, both desperately needed, and the destruction of the majority of H-fuel production in Sirius. Bretonia gets his fuel from MOX, and Rheinland does as well. Kusari and Liberty both use H-fuel. With the loss of the GMG, both houses will be competing for access to what little H-fuel they can get. It'll harm Kusari and Liberty in their wars, allowing Rheinland to move forward and allowing Bretonia to retake Leeds and start going into the Taus.

Into this we add the political repercussions from Kishiro and Interspace Commerce. Interspace Commerce has invested in all lawful operations going on in Okinawa, as has Kishiro. If Kusari destroys them (or GMG self-destructs the stations, mines, and gas miners to prevent Kusari from taking them over), both of those organizations are going to be angry, and Kishiro will be broke. There goes one of Kusari's major corporations and a significant portion of their ship production. Again; Hurts their war with Bretonia and soils relations with Liberty. Not to mention the amount of ex-Kishiro employees who will join the Blood Dragons or GC. IC will also step up their funding for GC. Both resistance groups will get huge boosts in recruitment, and GC will get financial aid.

Then with GMG out of the way, Outcasts have an open door into Honshu from Sigma-19. GMG is Kusari's security against Outcasts in the Sigmas. So they'll start having to deal with OC in Honshu and the Taus, BD/GC in all of Kusari, BAF in Leeds, Dundee, and Tau-31, Lane Hackers in Shikoku and Leeds, Mollies in Leeds, and GMG attacking Sigmas, Honshu, and Okinawa (the KNF wouldn't be able to get their bases in Sigma-59. Its doubtful they'd even be able to find it, let alone assault it after losing so much with Okinawa.

Its folly to fight a war on two fronts. This was proven true in WWII. Germany, one of the strongest militaries at the time, who controlled most of Europe and its resources, lost because of it. Kusari, if it invaded Okinawa, would be fighting a war on 3 fronts. Leeds, Taus, Okinawa. They don't have the personnel, they don't have the available ships, and they don't have access to alternate supplies of fuel.



@Jien;

Yes, you're right in that I want the players to decide how this goes, and I expect Kusari to apply pressure on GMG. The purpose of this thread was simply to notify anyone not already aware, that Okinawa currently IS GMG sovereignty. Kusari's actions shouldn't be that it IS their sovereignty, but should be actions designed to MAKE it Kusari sovereignty. You cannot role play while completely ignoring the infocards of the system. The infocards are what says the history and current situation in the system. Any RP would be intertwined with the history of the system. Simply because players are doing this role play doesn't mean they can ignore what they want about what has already happened regarding the system. You gotta take what you've got and work with it, not take away what you don't like.

From what I can tell, you are doing this in a role play sense. Death was just making sure people knew mod facts and history of the system while doing this RP, because the responses we saw in the RP thread seemed to point towards people thinking that Okinawa actually IS part of the Kusari Empire in a mod sense, which it isn't. Its currently GMG sovereignty.

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In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by DeathsOverture - 04-30-2009, 05:37 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Hawkwings - 04-30-2009, 06:18 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by DeathsOverture - 04-30-2009, 06:30 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Hawkwings - 04-30-2009, 06:42 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 04-30-2009, 06:46 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jinx - 04-30-2009, 06:56 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by BaconSoda - 04-30-2009, 11:54 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 12:06 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 12:15 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 12:42 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Hawkwings - 05-01-2009, 12:57 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 01:11 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by DeathsOverture - 05-01-2009, 01:13 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 01:46 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by DeathsOverture - 05-01-2009, 01:59 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Hawkwings - 05-01-2009, 02:07 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 02:44 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Hawkwings - 05-01-2009, 03:11 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by ProwlerPC - 05-01-2009, 03:20 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 03:22 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Hawkwings - 05-01-2009, 03:29 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by ProwlerPC - 05-01-2009, 03:44 AM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 03:57 AM
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In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by LoTeK_ - 05-01-2009, 04:39 AM
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In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by DeathsOverture - 05-01-2009, 02:28 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 04:12 PM
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In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 05:26 PM
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In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jacob S. - 05-01-2009, 05:41 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 06:00 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 06:02 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 06:15 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 06:46 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 07:11 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 09:01 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Jien Kogen - 05-01-2009, 09:21 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 09:25 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Hawkwings - 05-01-2009, 09:27 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Dab - 05-01-2009, 09:54 PM
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In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by Benjamin - 05-01-2009, 11:05 PM
In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy - by LoTeK_ - 05-01-2009, 11:36 PM
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