In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy

[Dab]

I think part of the problem here is that Okinawa's backstory is not well defined. Without a clear history to refer to, the current state of Okinawa is confusing and in flux. I think a good first step is to come together to work out Okinawa's history first, *then* talk about this current situation.

Okinawa's history is explained in great detail via the infocards, rumors, and news reports in the system. No one needs to come together to work out Okinawa's history, its already written. The problem is people not paying attention to said history and/or not reading it before making decisions and actions concerning the system. Kishiro and GMG players have spent a lot of time reading these news reports, rumors, and infocards and know the background very well and very clearly. Many others have not, and that is why we have this problem. I also explained the history in great detail in the Okinawa thread Zelot started awhile back. Its not as detailed as reading infocards, rumors, and news, but it does give reasons for what happened and is happening in the system.

In fact, see the infocard, it says "Kusari" not "Indipendent".
It's main access is through Honshu, it's between Honshu and Nagano (and then tohoku...) and it have a Kusari-like name, unlike Sigmas, and inside there are Kusarians people but both indipendent and not, with shared interests maybe but with all kind of different ties, so it's a..Kusari system controlled by GMG? Maybe just a semantic issue...
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I think the misunderstanding was caused by the system name and the connection to Honshu via TL and JG.
The techical and oorp solution would be to connect it to Kusari only via Jh and rename the system into Sigma 21 maybe.

As for the name of the system, I would like to know why it is named Okinawa, from a dev. The name means very little in terms of ownership. The infocard stating it is "Kusari" is clearly a contradiction to the fact that there are no KNF/KSP NPC's there, unless you count the Honshu gate. The devs clearly intended it to be not Kusari.

Answering the above three quotes;
Many people are operating under the false assumption that because a system says 'Kusari' it is part of that house. It's not. Is there a 'Border World' government? No, but there are systems labeled 'Border Worlds.' The system designations are given according to the AREA of space they are in. There is a Kusari government and a Kusari house, yes. But Kusari also applies to a region of space. Did you know that Chugoku is labeled as Kusari as well? Don't try to tell me Chugoku falls under Kusari's sovereignty. System infocards state the location in space, not the house that the system belongs to.

The system is not part of the Sigmas, so it shouldn't be called a Sigma. Its part of the region of space known as Kusari, not the house.

And on the Honshu Gate being KNF, that actually is one thing that needs fixed. Its meant to be KSP on the Honshu side, but GMG on the Okinawa side.

Now comes the treaty for example: Okinawa is sovereign territory of GMG, but KNF and KSP can fulfil patrol duties within the system to fight the criminals and it is recommended to GMG not to interfere with ...

Not if GMG tell them they can't. Its GMG sovereignty. If KNF/KSP want to patrol there, they need to ask for permission first. Kusari has survived thus far by using politics first, I see no reason why they'd resort to such hostile and inflammatory methods when simple talks would be able to get them what they want without threatening their supply of H-fuel and relations with a major trade partner.

owkey, this discussion is just absurd. Everyone only looks with a very narrow vision, seeing the side of the story that makes their faction become victorious. Don't forget people we are still in beta trial, so if needed some things can change. But right now, in my opinion all RP done in beta should be done according to the info cards we have right now, once we come out of beta we could begin making changes that effect the game (RP wise).

Perhaps you should do a bit more fact-finding. Some of us do not have relations to the factions involved. I'm neither KNF, KSP, GMG, or Kishiro, so don't accuse me of bias towards my faction. I have a GC, and they have a base there, yes. However, even if Okinawa was Kusari sovereignty, that wouldn't change much for us, we'd still be doing the same things the same way.

As for emperor Kogen, who supports you as emperor? is this in conjunction with the several Kusari factions, or did you just say:"i want to be emperor, and everyone needs to listen"? cause right now, that isn't really clear to me.

I've been wandering this as well.. All of the sudden some Kusari Emperor forum account popped up, and I've yet to see where it is explained anywhere who is using that forum account. Whoever is playing as Jien seems to think he can tell GMG what to do and is treating them as if they belonged to Kusari, yet as far as I know, GMG was never given a choice in who got to play the character of the Kusari Emperor.

Of course Okinawa could eventually become a Kusari system, if the Roleplay leads to this outcome. But prior to Kusari's sudden claim in a transmission to a military officer, it's clear that it was not part of Kusari.

This is exactly my issue here as well. There are people trying to claim it as part of Kusari, but they have participated in no RP whatsoever to support that claim. The extent of the RP concerning this that I've seen so far has been; 'Its ours, I'm Emperor, deal with it.' Thats not Role Play, and I expected much more. I spent a long time, as did Kuraine, when we put this system together, and we've worked very hard to provide ample role play opportunities here for ALL sides. Take advantage of something this system offers that few others do.

I was also surprised to find that Interspace Commerce had a presence in the system. Dab about summed it up:
Don't forget, the GMG are descendants of Kusari, but their culture is not identical. They are much more willing to contract foreign corporations. The GMG is by no means obligated to cash out a giant loan from the Kusari empire. This is also speculation, but I am sure they do not want Kusari's eyes on where their profits are spent.

Expanding on the above;

Interspace has funded the Gate, Lane, Fujisawa, and Isehara constructions in Okinawa, and they have insured all three operations in the system.
Interspace got a base there because it was the only place in Kusari where it COULD build another base, because Kusari does not control the system. It's also there to regulate trade, tax trade, and oversee the operations in which it has contributed a sizable funding to. GMG and Kishiro don't have easy cash on hand for this operation, and are going to be paying off their debt overtime with concessions made to IC. One of those concessions was allowing them to build a base there. Its the same as any major corporation in today's world. They don't just up and decide to build a new major factory somewhere. They get loans from banks to do so, and pay those loans off with money they make off of the factory once it is operational.

GMG are not the same as Kusari. They are very progressive thinkers, which is why they get along with GC and BD. Its why they hire BHG (who are present, though not numerous) and work with IC. Samura has strong ties to the government, and very rough relations with GMG because of the past. Thats another reason the GMG would turn to Interspace before resorting to getting a government loan for Okinawa. The government would require sovereignty in Okinawa, and Samura would be allowed in if they had to get a governmental loan. By using Interspace, GMG removed Samura's ability to gain a foothold there, allowing Kishiro and GMG to exploit the system without Samura's interference and political pressure.

I am getting a bit tired of this whole "We are Kusari but we are not Kusari" thing. Look, you dont get to say, "We are kusari" so we will have a JG and TL in Honshu, and the Kusari Government will give us Prisoners of War to work for us, "but we arent Kusari" So we dont need to let them into the system, or care what they say. Time to pick a horse, because IN-RP this whole attitude leads to Kusari aggressiveness.

Edit: You dont get to get all sorts of great things from Kusari, TL, JG, Security, while telling them to screw off.

Security? Kusari doesn't give GMG security, GMG makes it's own. GMG are the ones protecting Honshu from the Outcasts. NOT the KNF. KNF are also (according to the player faction) not hostile to Corsairs, while GMG is locked in battle with them along with the Outcasts. If KNF were playing security boys for GMG, the Corsairs wouldn't be attacking them, their transports, or their stations. Also, the TL and JG were NOT built by the Kusari government. GMG/Kishiro/IC hired DSE to build it.

You don't get to tell them they have to pick a side, they are allowed to make whatever choices they like. Its your job to respond in-RP to that, not by ignoring the RP to support your actions.

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