In response to recent GMG - KNF diplomacy

[Dab]

I just don't understand what the big deal here is besides chest thumping over whether or not Okinawa is yours. It can exist as Sigma-13 and Sigma-19 exist, however, if you'd be so kind as to notice, there are KNF NPCs in these systems, at least at the gate, meaning that yes, the KNF can patrol there.

There are no KSP or KNF NPCs in Okinawa at all. And I've never seen any in Sigma-19 or 13.

If we're talking about Kusari in RP, then let's see some roleplay of the government pressuring the GMG, looking for a reason to step in, and pressing the Hogosha and AFA harder to make the GMG projects fail in Okinawa, or even issuing ultimatums. For the record, that is not what we've seen so far.

This said here was exactly the kind of RP I was trying to encourage, which is why I was aggravated about the 'minimalist' course taken so far on certain group's parts. I commend the Hogosha and GMG for setting up and doing their first event successfully. But I need to see others willing to take those same steps to maximize role play for everyone, not just in their interest.

I have discussed the matter with another, and we agreed that if the lane connects directly to Honshu, there should be a border station next to the Honshu -> Okinawa gate in Honshu just like Akita in the case of Sigma-13. This came up in the first Okinawa thread as well. What do you think?

I'll add a Border Station as another fix for Okinawa, but the lanes won't come down, it'll cause too much of a problem. I am, however, still looking for a way to fit the gate on the map, connected to Aomori. Either way there will be KNF/KSP patrols on the Honshu side. Border Station depends on whether or not I can get it connected to Aomori without having the gate off the side of the map. The current Sigma-19 gate make placement tricky.

I think this is a wonderful idea, and would allow the Kusari players to feel like they are a part of the rp.
Let me clarify my statements on Okinawa. When I say Okinawa is Kusari space, I am saying Okinawa is in the Kusari region of space, where the Kusari Empire has many interests. Okinawa connects two pieces of Kusari space, it has Blood Dragon, GC, Hogosha, and Kishiro bases, all are Kusari factions. Kusari has many interests in the Okinawa system, and the Kusari government will not allow anyone to stand in the way of our defending of those Kusari interests.

Hopefully that clarifies our position oorp better.

I think this is what Death has been looking for. The misunderstanding was centered around people thinking Okinawa was actually part of the Kusari Empire, not just part of the Kusari region of space.

However, there is a bit of metagaming going on in decisions. You, and Bacon, both mention the BD and GC bases as support for your side of the issue.. But in-RP, the Kusari government, nor Kishiro or Hogosha, know of the existance of these two bases. They are both in nebulas severely restricting scanner range, with plenty of defenses to kill anyone who may stumble upon them. Its logical to assume that the GMG knows of the existance (and probably location gained from scouts) of Sendai, and Interspace knows of Matsuda, but thats as far as that information would go. Just like no one but Hogosha, FA, and possibly Samura know of the location of the Hogosha base. The GC wrecks near the station (and the Hogosha wrecks near Sendai) are to show that those who stumble upon these bases and aren't friends are shot and killed before they can get that information back to their organization.

I think Kusari was expressing discontent with the idea of having to travel through Okinawa to make the Nagano<->Honshu transit without governing Okinawa. Zelot made a thread a bit back about switching them.

By the way, I didn't propose the idea because I like it. If Kishiro has say in the government, yes they'd probably want to connect Honshu to Okinawa, but I am sure that Samura would have more say in the matter, and want to connect Honshu to Nagano. Faster routes is more profit, right?

Alternatively, can we put a gate North of Honshu to Nagano? That would make Honshu a link to many systems, but also bypass the need for Samura to transit Okinawa, which is clearly in the best interest of the government.

Thank you Markus and Brad. I, as well, noticed that Kishiro took a hit in 4.85...

Just to be clear, as planned, Nagano will apparently have gates to both Okinawa and Hokkaido. (according to Dab, but I don't feel like hunting more quotes but I've put it in this thread already..) However, the GMG making a route through Okinawa to Nagano doesn't make sense because it will undoubtedly increase Hogosha/Alliance interest, and cause KNF/KSP/Samura presence. At the same time, the GMG won't give up Okinawa to the Kusari Government easily, as they've already invested so much there. (See Prowler's posts) This is why I thought connecting Nagano and Honshu would be better practice for both the GMG and the Kusari government... but hey, geography isn't perfect and maybe that's what the dev's intended. Maybe there's a reason these two systems could not be connected - but to be sure, I haven't heard it yet except from an developer's standpoint OORP.

And yeah, Kishiro should be able to put in the lanes because they and the GMG have such an influence in the Honshu system, culturally, economically, and perhaps politically. Wouldn't you rather roleplay it though?

Also, I can't think of where a border station exists without a lane to it so a battleship might be more appropriate. (Thank you Hawkwings)

Nagano is getting a gate both to Okinawa and Hokkaido. The Okinawa part may change depending on relations between GMG/Kishiro and Kusari at the end of 4.85. The plan currently is that it was built due to political pressure Samura was putting on the government, who in turn put pressure on GMG/Kishiro. The gate is built to appease Samura so they have easier access to Nagano from Honshu. Then there is going to be a gate from Hokkaido to Nagano as well. I like the idea I saw of making the Chugoku gate changed to the Nagano one. I'll ask Igiss if I can do that.

Even after the Nagano-Okinawa gate is finished, KNF/KSP presence in Okinawa will be minimal. Samura will have some trade going through there, but it'll be slight because of the Hokkaido-Nagano gate.

And as said above, the lane to the Okinawa gate won't be removed, but the Border station will be added (unless I can get it connected to Aomori).

First to the Sigma's, the KNF doesnt patrol the Sigma's because it feels the GMG have it under control, but, it reserves to do whatever it wants should the situation change. We dont need to ask permission from the GMG to enter the Sigma's and that is very important. What would be best for Kusari/GMG relations in my view point would be a document in which the Kusari government recognizes GMG sovereignty over Okinawa, while at the same time the GMG recognizes the vital Kusari interests in Okinawa and will not now or in the future restrict Kusari operations in Okinawa so long as the Kusari forces notify the GMG if possible when entering the system. Once that was done, the Kusari and GMG could talk about building tradelanes from the Okinawa JG to Planet Honshu.

edit: wrong account obvioulsy.

This is where you need to start with the RP. You need to role play these discussions happening with GMG, not going over their head and claiming the right to patrol there. Diplomacy first..

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