To begin, note that liners count as transports, they use the same sheilds, and guns, and they are effectively tradeships, and nothing more.
' Wrote:Ahhhh, if only that were true, Eppy.
I've no problem with them getting stronger, but make sure that the only thing they carry is human cargo. No more liners with cardi/gold/niob/diamonds etc etc etc etc, except in <strike>much</strike> sorry, MUCH smaller quantities.
I, for one, am sick of seeing them hauling every commodity under the sun, OTHER than the one they are supposedly designed to carry.
I am too, as a proud member of the Slaver's union, I've discovered that the faction, and the ID in general, is mostly pointless. I'm much better off with a smuggler's ID, as the tradeoff for losing the ability to dock...uhm, on 90% of lawful bases is that I could steal things from people...and I have, just once, encountered someone I could steal from. People are not moved around enough to make the slaver ID a worthwhile addition to the mod, which is quite frankly, very sad.
I'd like to see multipliers given to the Liner profits on human cargoes, in a simmilar manner as mining, so that a Liner hauling people, with only a 3500 cargohold, can make as much, or more, hauling people, than an Atrain. We'd see more of them, yes, but as a slaver, I'd very much enjoy that, as it would validate the restricions on trade and the general hatred and hostility from most people that I'm putting myself through.
' Wrote:Can't say I agree. I'm probably speaking from a biased pirates' perspective, but the last thing I want to see is Liners everywhere. If you're going to buff Liners, buff all transports. I don't mind a challenge when I'm pirating... but when traders get a self inflated sense of space superiority, suddenly pirates get less RP and more collective face palming as another trigger happy transport gets blown up.
I don't ever recall catching a Liner that's been willing to pay, they always shoot first, die later.
My experince, albiet in the liner, has been much the same. I'm in a liner, I'm quite invulnerable, I think. I come up to a pair of police, and they tell me to stop...Why should I, I think? I'm a bloody liner. I paid 200 million for this ship, another 48 for its armour. Together, they paid something like 34 million. I've more guns, total, than they do, total. But then I find that I can't hit them, can't dodge their shots, can't, in effect, survive the encounter. I'm running away, the entire tim, knowing I'm going to die. The same in any transport. Escorted, in a Btrans, I cannot escape a VHF and a LF. Every pvp encounter I get into with a transport, it quickly becomes apparent that I'm going down like a lead balloon. This isn't fun, guys. Trading isn't fun, no matter what we do to the system, it is, in effect, grinding, and reasonably dull. Being overwhelmed by lighter, faster ships, that isn't fun either. We're getting ganked, and thats the feeling, every time we're in an encounter.
Transports should be the Poor Man's Cruisers, employed and nearly overemployed by most every faction in the game, excepting the four militaries, which can afford to build enough of the actuall cruisers. Pirates should pirate in transports, and in groups, a Transport and a fighter, or a gb, to tear down the lone transport's defenses. Transports should be given CDs, so they can be pirates in and of themselves.
Right now, the only thing transports can do effectively, or with any real usefullness, is trade. Frankly, trading -isn't- that great. Its nessisary. Its only nessisary. It hauls in the biggest profits, its at the bottom of the food chain, etc, etc, etc. Nothing else compares to them in the job, but frankly? Nothing else cares to try, because its a job that -sucks-. Make transports more fun, and you'll see more of them. This is a space fighting game. Things that can't fight, are not fun. BEING A DEFENSLESSTARGET SUCKS.
