Zoner/Zoner Guard IDs

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Split into two posts, too many quotes, they broke.

Zoners are bunch of various peoples, with different RP behaviour. Nobody can control them all. There are problems with independent Zoners. Complaints are addressed to CoZ, which can't do anything with it. The image of Zoners factions could be damaged because of that. I understand that is the reason of this proposal to control all Zoners through rules.

The issue isn't that it 'could' damage the faction, it is that is has damaged the faction. If it hadn't caused a problem, I never would suggested any change at all.

But this is not good way. This rule affects general Zoner style of life. It changes the definition of Zoners.

Does it? Show me some evidence that it changes anything about the Zoners.. I've provided my evidence showing how it is in-keeping with Zoner roleplay, so if you disagree please provide something to show why.

There is another way - do it via RP. Let your Zoners group restrict themselves, write these rules to your faction diplomacy. Do the same for CoZ members. Next time when the problem with zoner smuggler appears, you can answer: it is not our business, we/our members didn't do it. You can also put such 'Zoner' to your unfriendly list.

I can tell most people lately haven't been reading my posts at all.. For this is is yet another of several posts that all say 'Do it via RP.' If you go back and read what I've said, you'll see that we've tried to do just that. We've tried for years. It hasn't done any good, and the problem has only gotten worse.

I see here, that some people want to unify all Zoners under one central authority. Wrong way. Only certain factions here can be controlled, but not Zoners, who are anarchistic bunch of free people. If you want to own Zoners you will own problems only.

Please show me where I've, in any way, suggested that I want to unify all Zoners under any control. I've not. My Zoner itself is an independent, so doing so wouldn't make sense. This is an accusation without any evidence to support it.

If the RPing is an issue here, have you considered maybe giving the 5k perk to one of the unofficial zoner factions? Like the Zoner Trading Consortium (]c[) who specializes in trading? I'm sure those fellas will make sure to take on only RPing lads and ladies and it will tune down the mass demand for the ID.

So the ID can be altered by saying 3800k like the normal ID, but adding, "5000k transports can also be used ONLY if belong to one of the following Zoner trading factions:"

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, or ever even been done before...to give an unofficial faction sole use of a ship, but I find it the best way to monitor the usage of these ships, if said factions are willing to take that responsibility.

The problem with this is that you'd have to patch the entire mod with the infocard change whenever a Zoner faction ever disbands or a new one gets made..
Also, while I think a change is necessary, forcing Zoners to join a faction isn't the answer. Zoners are an anarchic lot who value freedom. One reason why they left the houses. To force them to join factions so they can do in-RP trading would be completely contradictory to this. Just because some are indies doesn't mean they are bad RPers. Yes, most of the bad RPers are indies, but the opposite isn't true. My Zoner Whale and Zoner Carrier are both very in-RP (My Whale doesn't dock on any non-Zoner bases besides Malta, where it picks up H-fuel for FP10), yet independent characters. So this solution wouldn't work.

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