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Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone"

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Poll: Mark-II's, how should they be handled? (voting option 2 does not mean you directly endorse all my protoypes, just the basic idea)
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Keep the House Military MK-II's the Vanilla models, but look into altering the other MK-II's
21.59%
19 21.59%
Do them all over in the style shown
78.41%
69 78.41%
Total 88 vote(s) 100%
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Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone"
Offline elgeeko
08-11-2009, 03:59 PM,
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Ok first I already said after the first comments on it that I would look into the switchblades problem.

As a technicality you might be interested to know that its no fatter at any point than the original Switchblade, however because the neck on the lower part got shorter and because of the way the wings meet the body now, it gives it a chunkier feel due to *proportion* not because it was actually made 'fatter'

Again, Im working on that. Don't chew me up and spit me out just because one prototype needs a major tweak.;)

Now the Hyena

It is exactly the same beam (width) as the original at its widest point. I provided a dorsal fixed-perspective shot to show this.
Thats in-fact why I provide fixed-projection shots like that. MS-3D has a stilted perspective in ortho view compounded slightly by the new ship being the closer one (for details sake) so the other views are to help you get a feel for the true shape.

Now that thats out of the way;
Nighthawk you are right I am a rookie modeler. I am not Tenacity and I do not labor under the delusion that my work is nearly as amazing as that produced by some of the other modelers in this community.

However, that does not mean that the work I am doing is below the standard for a good addition to the mod.

Yes, the modifications I am making to these models are subtle. But they are *not* simple.
It takes alot of thought and careful work (hours) to do these subtle changes in a way that holds to the Vanilla line's atmosphere and still conveys just the right sense of change.

Yes I just did 8 or so in two days, but only because from 9AM to 10PM both days was spent on MS-3D with stops taken only for meals and the men's room.

(I can not, nor will I try, to keep up that kind of schedule everyday mind you)

Lets be clear on something from the get-go; I never ever ever simply 'squish' or 'resize' a model.
I never even select the whole model at once, I do things the hard way. Vertex by tiny, confusing, slippery vertex.
(though usually in pairs with its partner for symmetry)

If I just 'squished' it, then tell me how the outer panels got added to the forward ramscoops?
How did the rear fins rotate, move, and change position to add extra protection to the engines while streamlining the shape?
How did the engines get larger length-wise for added power but the body not change?
And how did the cockpit's shape change to accomodate new avionics?

I never do something that is 'a 10 second fix'
(even the Wraiths wing's took about 25 minutes to get the angle *just* so like the trailer)
And I also always have an 'in-game-world' design reason for every change I make to these craft.

You are entitled to the opinion that the Vanilla ships are better, you are entitled to want them and not my MK-II's
You are entitled to provide intelligent, constructive critique and suggestions, and to vote in the poll.

But despite my rookiness, I would ask that you not disrespect my hard-working attempts to make something for this community, and that you would also refrain from disprespecting me as a modeler (greenhorn though I may be)

Some (most) of these changes are indeed small and subtle, but thats the point. "Size matters not" no matter how subtle the work is, it takes a great deal of thought and work to keep the same quality and atmosphere of the Vanilla model I am working with.

Just because I am not yet conjuring totally from scratch models does not mean my work would be any less useful to the mod.
Indeed even if I could work from scratch I wouldn't as the entire Idea is to base the MK-II's off the MK-I's

I've seen far too many new ship lines or extensions of ship lines in other mods that looked ugly as sin because they tried too hard not to emulate the Vanilla models.

In closing;
Neither disrespect for my modifications, nor the opinions of a minority, will keep me from submitting these.
The decision is up to the poll, so discussion and debate over whether or not this project should go forward is *closed* again. Have an opinion about the project as a whole? vote please.

Otherwise save the space for constructive and useful critique of the ships so I can refine the prototypes that need refining (Switchblade etc) and eventually get moving with the rest when the poll is over.

In short; Respect the work I am doing. People are entitled to their opinions, but I am entitled to respect as I am the one burning hours and energy to do this. Not only that but I am making the work public and open to suggestions and critique thereby opening myself for potentially hours more work to satisfy someones request about a model, or to fix an overall flaw in one of the prototypes. So please respect the fact that I am doing the extra work to include everyones input.
(I now have a whole entire Rheinland model that took close to 2 hours of tossed out ideas and changes and careful manipulation to make because I was willing to compromise to Johann's request)

Now if youll excuse me, the Switchblade is getting some proportion surgery, and I need to compile a Hussar/Paladin comp-chart.

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Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by elgeeko - 08-10-2009, 05:31 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by reavengitair - 08-10-2009, 05:46 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by sean24 - 08-10-2009, 05:47 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by Tenacity - 08-10-2009, 05:50 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by Janus - 08-10-2009, 05:52 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by elgeeko - 08-10-2009, 05:53 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by Thexare - 08-10-2009, 06:27 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by elgeeko - 08-10-2009, 06:30 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by tansytansey - 08-10-2009, 06:44 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by atlantis2112 - 08-10-2009, 06:46 AM
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Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by tansytansey - 08-10-2009, 07:10 AM
Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by elgeeko - 08-10-2009, 07:19 AM
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Project; "CopyCatsB-Gone" - by elgeeko - 08-10-2009, 03:38 PM
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