Xenos and Pirate Ships

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I'm on my mac so I don't have access to HardCMP but you're incorrect. Its the largest of the conventional bombers. It's larger than a Praetorian, Taiidan, IMG, GC, you name it. The only bombers that outsize it are the Waran, Barg and Faf. The large top/bottom profile on top of the rather generous boom catching front profile is a huge detriment. The same one that the Broadsword suffers from. The Broadsword has a small front profile but in passing jousts the huge surface area presented in passing makes it a snac magnet.

Orly?

Sooo not the biggest bomber out there... This isn't all the bombers, just a few of them, and you can clearly see the Orchid, Challenger and Falcata are bigger, and the Roc is more similar size to the Upholder, Skhemet, Broadsword and Havoc.

So while the Roc is very slightly faster than the Falc, its weaker and larger and carries the same handicap the falc does in presenting a larger target area around the rearmost portion of the ship for nailing in chase fights. Actually more, given the huge surface area provided by the wings. In a joust on the approach the Falc would be at a slight disadvantage given the slightly larger centralized target area while the civi would be at a disadvantage in passing given its larger topside surface area.

See, above.

They Greyhoud is also a poor example, the ship is extremely tiny and responsive for its heavy plant and four class 10 guns. The Greyhound is a flipping terror as any BAF pilot can attest, the thing simply does not die and can dish out some horrible firepower. Actually it has a stronger plant than the Eagle, while we're on the subject.

Well, the Greyhound is very context sensitive in that regard. Put it against slow ships like Templars then yes, it kicks ass, but the Guardian and Eagle are much smaller and faster than the Templar. Even though it still kicks ass, especially in group fights, it's more evenly matched one on one. The Greyhound is also bigger than it used to be, and has less armour... though I'm gonna change the model so the pilot fits in the cockpit, I'll probably re-hardpoint it and hopefully make it a better hitbox that doesn't have a massive shield bubble which sticks out half the length of the ship behind it. I think the Greyhound needs a slight rebalance with it's new model.

You don't need to explain that its an excellent dogfighter. It is. It's a very good ship that can do fantastic things in the proper hands. However its the furthest thing from being an "I win" button. It was balanced by individuals with far more reason than either you or I possess with aims towards producing a vessel which can compete, but not dominate, in any house given its universal utilization by a very large percentage of Discovery's factions. Both lawful and unlawful.

The qualities it possesses can be matched by virtually every heavy fighter out there. Carbon copy JihadJoe and put him in an Eagle and a Guardian and let him fight himself. Or throw a Wrath in there, or a Templar, or a Raven's Talon, or a Viper MKII. They've all got their respective strengths and weaknesses.

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned the Eagle... my main problem is with the Roc anyway <_< *conceeds*

I liked the comment about the light plant only being a handicap because the ship turns faster than it regenerates, that was very tongue in cheek. Next time someone says that battleship plants need a boost I'll comment that their ship needs a turning nerf because they're outracing their regen *grins*

I'll love you if you do x3

Wow, we're so off topic. Oh well, this thread has already been answered anyway.

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