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Admin Notice : Faction Warned
Offline bluntpencil2001
08-19-2009, 01:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2009, 01:06 AM by bluntpencil2001.)
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Dieter Wrote:1) The RP reasons for QCP targetting the Zoners, though plausible, are quite weak to justify the Vendetta that has ensued. Zoners, it seems, are currently your primary targets, to the exclusion of the more legitimate KNF and Corsair threats. However, the merits and demerits of the RP are not the most important issue.

This, I find quite offensive. This is applying opinion to something, really. Personally, I thought our RP reasons were without holes entirely. Just because one doesn't like something doesn't make it wrong. Whether something is 'good' or not is simply opinion. Personally, I dislike the vast majority of Terrorist RP as being very 'comic-book' styled and not truly fitting. However, I do not complain when blown up by said players, as it is not my right to tell them they are wrong, it is merely my opinion that it isn't great RP. One could also ask why the Zoners required their entire capital fleet in Omega 49 to deal with a bunch of privateers compared to the greater threat of the Nomads in the Omicrons, but we didn't since we're not here to judge their RP.

Also, we are told we are ignoring the Corsair threat. That is untrue. This is the main reason for our conflict with the Zoners. See the Planet Gran Canaria and Planet Cork infocards. The Planet Gran Canaria infocard itself states that the presence of Mollys, Hunters, Hessians and Bretonian scouts are beginning to cause tension between the Zoners and Corsairs. We are trying to roleplay that and make some money in the process.

In fact, lots of reasons were given for our actions. None were poor RP. They might be bad reasons, like in real life, because people fight for bad reasons in real life. See: Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, the First World War...

Dieter Wrote:2) The gameplay impact it has had. Understand, this has not been consistently negative. Some support QCP's actions or are at least indifferent. Some Zoners don't mind as much, but a great many have been angered a great deal. Most importantly, obviously, Mal. But this thing was pushed into the realm of the personal, when it could have been stopped, instead of buttons being pushed all the harder.

There has been little to no gameplay effect, since the QCP only got in about 3 fights with Zoners. The effect was on the forum from complaining as a defence mechanism, yelling 'powergaming' instead of roleplaying negotiations, which is ironic, considering how many Zoner players ignore infocards and their own RP. Many Zoner players are denying that they use Synth Foods biodomes, which is untrue, powergaming both LWB and Synth Foods out of potentially interesting conflict and RP. They also seem to powergame the relations between Zoners and Cambridge Research, a Cryer outfit, not Zoner.

No warnings there. No warnings when Zoners claim to have control of Sirius trade and able to shut down a House via embargo, in spite of their vanilla RP as effectively squatters. No warnings when Zoners tell me that they're neutral to me, even though the recognition of neutrality does not simply occur when one says "I'm neutral!" Your decision to cast yourself as neutral only truly applies when it is recognised. Telling me that I have to recognise it is unfair.

They also claim that Omega 49 is not used for Corsair attacks, in spite of the Gran Canaria infocard saying that this is exactly why the Corsairs paid for maps of Omega 49. On top of this, the TAZ ignore their own roleplay. What happened to revelling in chaos? I gave them chaos and disorder, and they sought to impose order. I'm all for hypocrisy in religion, but, please keep it in character.

Also, the fact that a player left due to some shots being fired, entirely within RP, is more a problem with that player (who got similarly angry when the Keepers attacked Zoners. You know, those aliens that blew up a Freeport?) than ourselves, as well as the fact that said player, admittedly popular, laid the blame ay our feet, with some untrue accusations.

Punishing us because a popular player left, for a bad reason, is not fair, and yes, we are being punished. What would the Phantoms say if they were told they're not allowed to shoot X player?

Furthermore, I really doubt the Zoners have managed to stop any attacks on Omega 49. I predict that with recent information leaks regarding Corsair flanking maneuvers, the Mollys will descend on the place like a pack of rabid wolves. Can you sanction that? What about the Hessians from 47, seeing the Corsair supply line?

There is another problem with this sanction: It sets a precedent. It gives Zoners protection from violence in RP, using the rules as a weapon. Effectively, every Zoner gunship, destroyer and Juggernaut now has admin shields.

If a pirate breaks a No Fire Zone and a Juggernaut comes out to enforce it, to find that the pirate takes it personal, that Juggernaut can go and complain to the admins about this. In fact, this was the first defence the Zoners used. Instead of attempting to RP their way out, the first thing I got was flames. And then I get accused of poor RP.

The fact that people got angry over this is actually very sad. What were they angry over? Really, what is there to be angry about?

To me, it looks like people complaining because they might 'lose'. If I did that as a child, my mother would be furious. The funny thing is, in an RPG, even if you explode or are defeated politically, you don't 'lose', since you played your role and that is the goal, not 'winning', although it is certainly enjoyable to make successful characters.

Also...

We have another problem.

We were effectively forced to create a faction. That costs us 500 million.:(

We have been also asked to give up our own RP to find an end. A final battle? The QCP were founded because battles are stupid. Strategy wins wars, not battles.

Anyway, we're innocent of all charges. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit!:)

We're willing to entertain suggestions Zoners might have in-RP to keep us out. I would suggest epic bribery (if they can afford all those Juggernauts, I reckon they can fork over a lot!), refusal to enforce their silly NFZs against BAF in Omega 3 etc etc.

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