' Wrote:Now lets not get stressed here eh? The RP side of this dictates Zephyr's take a long time to build. I mean the =CR= has built 3 since it entered Sirius. Four if you count the Warhammer that now serves as a station.
Now if we could churn out One every couple of weeks we would not only have four would we? I am sure all final and Fletcher are saying in thier at least more flamey way is that with the things taking so ruddy long to build it would be very rare that one would be launched from another group. Combined with the fact that no two zephyr ships are never the same.
The building process of such a vessel would be slow, the colonials do not even have a Zephyr on the building blocks at the current time. So from the aspect of RP that we seem to be striving for here even if the CR were to build a Zephyr for the IAF it would take a long time before such a ship to be launched.
Now to finish, threatening factions/people with sanctions is not the correct way to go about things. It is not going to win over any minds that way. It certainly hasn't won over mine and has already coloured my opinions. There was really no need to jump on the old sanction hammer at this early stage. All that was requested by Finaldragon and Andrew Fletcher is that you would open negotiations with the Colonial HQ, Now definitely from an RP sense it would be required anyway as you need use of our shipyard to build such a ship. There was nothing said about REFUSAL in this as far as i have read back. They only asked for you to use what is considered a normal channel to gain access to our system.
First of all, I'm not one of the IAF. You seem to've gotten the wrong impression there.
And I am not saying you can't forbid access to your stations to anyone. Far from it, you can forbid it to anyone you want to forbid it to.
But the Zephyr is an IMG ship. And that's just that. If it was a Colonial ship and Colonial alone, then I'd agree with you restricting Zephyrs to anyone who's not a Colonial.
But in this particular case, IAF bearing IMG IDs which are the primary users of Zephyrs, are allowed to take 500 Zephyrs if they can afford them, and neither you, me, the IMG|, or anyone else can forbid them from doing so.
Point of the matter:
You can refuse to allow anyone you want to enter Tau-44, but as long as the Zephyr is an IMG ship and as long as it is not sold anywhere but Tau 44, you CANNOT refuse anyone the right of purchasing a Zephyr.
You just can't.
You can rationalize it with RP or OoRP arguments any way you want, but it's a matter of rules and allowances, pure and simple.
I don't have anything against anyone here, I'm not on anybody's side.
But things are this way, whether we like it or not.
And even if this were not true, you would still be in bad practice doing things like this.
If the Colonial Remnant would want to restrict Zephyrs to anyone who has IMG IDs, then I'd point all Colonials to immediatelly sell all their ships which are sold on IMG stations, meaning you can have no Spatials or Atlases.
I mean, since you say yourselves the IMG has restricted your access to their stations.
You can't have a cake and eat it too.
Now I'd be happy to refer an admin to this thread to settle our doubts and questions so we can move on.
Edit:
And a small addendum.
It doesn't matter if you have only 3(4) Zephyrs. That does not solely determine how fast shipyards build battleships.
It just goes to show how much you need capital ships and how many credits you have under your disposal.
And if I remember correctly, the Colonial Remnant once RPed selling a Zephyr Carrier to the Zoner Consortium, that ship being built in-RP inside a period of two months.
Now Singapore's existed for around 5-6 years, which'd make it possible for a maximum of around 30 Zephyr Carriers.
Saying that it didn't always work at full capacity might somehow lower that number to 15.